Committee Meeting 2016-01-10

The meeting will take place at 10:00 UTC in the IRC channel #board-meeting on the CAcert IRC network.

Committee Members: feel free to add a business within the acceptance period or your question to the board below. Others: add a question to the questions section.

Agenda

  1. Preliminaries
    1. Chair opens the Committee Meeting

    2. Accept the minutes from the last meeting.

    3. Who is making minutes?

    4. Chair asks whether cacert-board-private maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members.

    5. Chair asks whether cacert-board maillist includes any business items that aren't on the agenda yet.

    6. Chair introduces the URL of action items to the meeting, and asks for discussion.

  2. Businesses

    Acceptance of Businesses 48 Hours before beginning of Committee Meeting latest!

    1. Personal matters
      1. accept the membership application of Janis Streib and Neal Oakey
      2. two members resigned their membership
    2. OFT report
      1. missing feedback by Kevin
      2. list of lodged documents
    3. closing of Westpac savings account as the earnings are less than on the transaction account and transfer the money to the transaction account
    4. Poll to see the position of members towards Audit
      • use a doodle private poll
    5. ownership of Google+ account
    6. Investigation committee

    7. Business added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Business One" by Title of Business and add your Name

      • Additional Inputs Comment: Replace "Additional Inputs"by Description of Business, Description of Reason-Why/Purpose, Additional Comments, Additional Documents, Additional Links, if useful for other Committee Members to prepare for Committee Meeting.

    8. et cetera
  3. Question Time

    Questions from CAcert.org Community Members can be added until beginning of Committee Meeting! As well questions can be asked at "Question Time", without added Question here

    1. Question One added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Question One" by Your Question and add your Name

      • et cetera
  4. Closing
    1. Chair closes the Committee Meeting

Minutes

  1. Preliminaries

    • Attendees: Marcus Mängel, Reinhard Mutz, Juergen Bruckner, Stefan Thode, Felix Dörre

    • Chair opens the Committee Meeting 
      • 11:06 <ReinhardM> I hereby open the board meeting
      • accept minutes
        • missing motion in the motion system Seconded by Juergen, Carried with 5 aye 
          11:14 <ReinhardM> as i see the motion is accepted
      • Who is making minutes?
        • Marcus is taking the minutes
      • Chair asks whether cacert-board-private maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members.
        • no items to disclosed

    • Chair asks whether cacert-board maillist includes any business items that aren't on the agenda yet.

      • no items to be added

    • Chair introduces the URL of action items to the meeting, and asks for discussion. 

      • 11:17 <ReinhardM> no action items
11:18 <felix> we did not use them yet and therefore have none
  2. Businesses
    1. Personal matters
      1. accept the membership application of Janis Streib and Neal Oakey
        1. accept the membership application of Janis Streib 
        • 11:20 <ReinhardM> I accept the membership for Janis Streib

          m201560110.1 Seconded by Jürgen Carried with 5 aye

        • accept the membership application of Neal Oakey 
          11:22 <ReinhardM> I accept the membership of Neal Oakey

          m201560110.2 Seconded by Jürgen Carried with 5 aye

    2. OFT report
      1. missing feedback by Kevin
        • Kevin did not response over the holidays
      2. list of lodged documents
        • Board ask the OFT for a list of the lodged documents and got this list.

          Board found out that some of the listed documents are missing in the SVN and will try to get them.

    3. closing of Westpac savings account as the earnings are less than on the transaction account and transfer the money to the transaction account 
      • 11:41 <ReinhardM> I move to transfer the money from Wetpac savings account to Wetpac tranaction account and close the savings account thereafter

        m201560110.4 Seconded by Marcus Carried with 5 aye

    4. Poll to see the position of members towards Audit
      • Board dicussed the matter to get the opinion of the CAcert Inc. members about the audit. Several methods were mentioned. Using doodle, having a new survey system on CAcert hardware. 
        • 11:52 <ReinhardM> I move to do the poll

          m201560110.5 Seconded by Stefan Carried with 5 aye

    5. ownership of Google+ account
      • Board talked about who has currently access to the Google+ account of CAcert. Juergen will ask the known adminstrators to had over the credentilas to board.
    6. Investigation committee
      • Board found two CAcert Inc. members who will be part of the investigation commitee and is looking for a third person. 
        12:00 <ReinhardM> I move to implement the investigation committee and try to fill it up with a third person.

        m201560110.6 Seconded by Marcus Carried with 4 aye in the meeting

  3. Question Time 
    • 12:04 <ReinhardM> Answer to katzazi
12:04 <ReinhardM> All q´your questions will be answered by the investigation committee.
12:05 <katzazi> they were answers to you not to any committe who cannot answer thenm
12:05 <katzazi> that committee is not board and cannot answer for board
12:06 <katzazi> also I will not accept such a committee
12:06 <ReinhardM> IMHO board will be questioned by the investigation committee as well as the members in question.
12:06 <katzazi> but it was a members question not a question of a committee or anything else
12:06 <katzazi> those were questions about your work and not mine
12:07 <katzazi> and as far as I understand you that committee should investigate my or other persons work and not board work
12:07 <katzazi> so you should answer on your own
12:07 <katzazi> can you please name the lawyer for that committee
12:08 <ReinhardM> Our answer is the implementation of such an investigation committee.
12:08 <katzazi> that is not an answer to those quesitons
12:09 <katzazi> another question: why did you not address the recent comments from critical and access team?
12:09 <katzazi> what is the name of the lawyer?
12:09 <ReinhardM> The answer was already given in topic 2.4
12:09 <katzazi> no
12:10 <katzazi> there were no names
12:10 <ReinhardM> names are privat concerns
12:10 <katzazi> you want me to be affected to I have a right to learn that name
12:10 <katzazi> also I have reasons to doubt that you have found such a lawyer
12:11 <ReinhardM> that is your circling method
12:11 <ReinhardM> therefor we want the investigation committee.
12:11 <katzazi> so that you do not have to answer any questions?
12:11 <ReinhardM> We see the results coming from a third party. That will be the base of a solution.
12:12 <katzazi> no
12:12 <katzazi> it will not a base for a solution
12:12 <katzazi> what about just telling us what the issues are?
12:12 <ReinhardM> So if you do not accept the investigation committee as you wrote already, we have to make a decision?
12:12 <katzazi> no you have to name the allegations
12:12 <katzazi> and go to arbitration
12:12 <katzazi> those are our rules
12:12 <ReinhardM> Are there any more questions from the floor?
12:12 <katzazi> there are no other rules
12:13 <katzazi> yes
12:13 <katzazi> I asked one above
12:13 <ReinhardM> Are there any more questions from the floor?
12:13 <katzazi> why did you not address that critical team and access team have announced to stop their work
12:13 <katzazi> because of recent board activities
12:13 <katzazi> also: why did you not answer the questions raised on board public?
12:14 <katzazi> critical team and access team are not related to the investigation committee or are they now under that committee as well?
12:15 <katzazi> also why are you censoring the questions of the members?
12:15 <katzazi> and what is missing for the OTF report?
12:16 <katzazi> why do you not use email for your non-poll?
12:16 <katzazi> when will you bring up the topics of the last board?
12:17 <katzazi> where was it changed that the cacert logo is under open license so cannot be used by someone else on their website?
12:19 <katzazi> you should be able to answer at least some of those questions now, as they were about topics handled today and any board member could have asked according questions as well so you should have an answer prepared
  4. Date of next meeting
    • sunday 2016-01+-24 10 UTC

transcript of meeting

NB. Times of the transscript are in UTC +1

Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2016-01-10 (last edited 2016-01-24 09:39:11 by MarcusMängel)