Log of Board-meeting 2018-03-15-20:00 UTC
Timestamp all UTC +01:00
15.03.2018 [20:39:15] <GuKKDevel> hi 15.03.2018 [20:44:57] <GuKKDevel> Hi etienne, do you know all mailaddresses of board members ? 15.03.2018 [21:00:08] <Etienne> Hello @GuKKDevel, yes, I have them, they are all in the ERP. 15.03.2018 [21:00:33] <GuKKDevel> OK so I will look for them 15.03.2018 [21:00:35] <Peter> Good morning 15.03.2018 [21:00:36] <GuKKDevel> there 15.03.2018 [21:00:59] <bdmc> Good Evening, All. And Good Morning to those of us who are South of the Equator! 15.03.2018 [21:01:03] <GuKKDevel> good mornig good day good evening to all 15.03.2018 [21:01:22] <bdmc> I see four of us. Are there more? 15.03.2018 [21:01:52] <Etienne> Hell everybody 15.03.2018 [21:01:57] <Etienne> Hello 15.03.2018 [21:02:02] <bdmc> B-) 15.03.2018 [21:02:12] <GuKKDevel> I see five 15.03.2018 [21:02:18] <PeterYuill> Hello everyone 15.03.2018 [21:02:35] <bdmc> Good, so shall we start? 15.03.2018 [21:02:51] <bdmc> Who will volunteer to deal with the minutes? 15.03.2018 [21:03:04] <GuKKDevel> me 15.03.2018 [21:03:18] <bdmc> Thank you K-H. 15.03.2018 [21:03:51] <bdmc> Does anybody have any hard deadlines for today? For once, I don't but I would like to keep this to less than two hours. 15.03.2018 [21:04:15] <GuKKDevel> so end at 22 utc? 15.03.2018 [21:04:24] <bdmc> Agreed, or earlier. 15.03.2018 [21:04:30] <PeterYuill> I need to go at 21:30 15.03.2018 [21:04:41] <bdmc> OK, we can aim for that. 15.03.2018 [21:05:07] <GuKKDevel> I'll watch 15.03.2018 [21:05:39] <bdmc> Now that that is settled, I will try to keep track of time, too, does anybody want to make a motion to approve last meeting's minutes? 15.03.2018 [21:06:27] <GuKKDevel> has everybody read them? 15.03.2018 [21:06:38] <Peter> No 15.03.2018 [21:06:48] <Peter> Forgot 15.03.2018 [21:06:52] <bdmc> I have. I would rather not make the motion myself, since I was not in attendance. 15.03.2018 [21:07:12] <GuKKDevel> neither me, wrote them 15.03.2018 [21:08:22] <bdmc> I forgot something. Peter, do you have a link to those minutes? Etienne, would you please publish the URL for the Agenda, here? 15.03.2018 [21:08:46] <Etienne> Agenda for today: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-15?action=recall&rev=6 15.03.2018 [21:08:46] <PeterYuill> Minutes look good to me. I propose we accept the minutes. 15.03.2018 [21:09:06] <Etienne> Minutes last meeting: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01 15.03.2018 [21:09:22] <Etienne> Second and aye 15.03.2018 [21:09:33] <bdmc> Abstain 15.03.2018 [21:09:37] <GuKKDevel> abstain 15.03.2018 [21:09:47] <Peter> Aye 15.03.2018 [21:10:30] <bdmc> PeterYuill, I had to find out, but we have a tradition in this board that the person making a motion must also vote for that motion. 15.03.2018 [21:10:44] <PeterYuill> aye 15.03.2018 [21:10:56] <bdmc> It seemed redundant to me, but.... 15.03.2018 [21:11:04] <PeterYuill> No problem 15.03.2018 [21:11:13] <bdmc> Looks like the motion has passed. 15.03.2018 [21:11:33] <bdmc> Next, are there any messages in Board or Board Private that need to be brought forward? 15.03.2018 [21:11:50] <GuKKDevel> not from me 15.03.2018 [21:12:35] <bdmc> In that case, I will move forward. Incidentally, if I am going too quickly, just speak up. 15.03.2018 [21:13:30] <bdmc> OK, since I joined this meeting in time for 15:00 ( an hour early ), I had plenty of time to look at the Action Items. Is there anything there that anyone would like to discuss? 15.03.2018 [21:13:56] <PeterYuill> Have we managed to contact Amos? 15.03.2018 [21:14:40] <Etienne> Yes, we had. He had good news: Yes, I got the final OK just before a busy weekend. 15.03.2018 [21:14:49] <Peter> I thought about the occasions when someone needs an identity check more than what Mozilla provide with their free certs. 15.03.2018 [21:15:07] <Peter> I did not come up with an occasion I need one. 15.03.2018 [21:15:29] <Peter> Not much use for marketing. :-( 15.03.2018 [21:16:46] <GuKKDevel> what are you talking about peter? 15.03.2018 [21:17:22] <Etienne> I will rPeter was thinking about our raison d'être. 15.03.2018 [21:17:25] <Peter> The marketing text 15.03.2018 [21:17:53] <GuKKDevel> raison d'être.? 15.03.2018 [21:18:06] <Peter> An action point from the last meeting 15.03.2018 [21:18:16] <bdmc> I wasn't sure when to bring this up, but I wrote a message to a "local" mailing list. Members of that list have been active members of CAcert in the past, both as Assurers and as Assured. 15.03.2018 [21:18:35] <bdmc> So far, I have had one response to that message, saying: 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> SSL has two primary, orthogonal functions: 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> 1) Keep outsiders from listening in on our conversation 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> 2) Assure one or both of us that the other is who they claim to be 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> Certificates are most important in part (2), though common SSL setups require a certificate to exist even to do part (1). Let's Encrypt facilitates part (1), but by offering "an X.509 Certificate for 'free' to anyone," does little or nothing to 15.03.2018 [21:19:05] <bdmc> +uphold part (2). CACert's value is in being a noncommercial broker of part (2). 15.03.2018 [21:19:08] <bdmc> That's my understanding, at least. 15.03.2018 [21:20:25] <Peter> Checking an id is probably needed by users of tinder, ebay, etc. 15.03.2018 [21:20:30] <GuKKDevel> this would to be handled at 2.1.4 15.03.2018 [21:20:38] <bdmc> I think that that talks to raison d'etre. 15.03.2018 [21:21:41] <Etienne> @GuKKDevel: it is French, but also used in English - no other translation in my dictionary. In German you will say Daseinszweck. 15.03.2018 [21:21:59] <GuKKDevel> thank you Etienne 15.03.2018 [21:22:19] <bdmc> Any other Action Items that we want to discuss, or am I being too fast? 15.03.2018 [21:24:23] <bdmc> OK, on to item 2.1.1. I think that I saw a comment about this, earlier. Correct? 15.03.2018 [21:25:36] <Etienne> Yes, Amos has no issues with his boss, beeing our public officer. We had the confirmation on March 4th. 15.03.2018 [21:26:03] <Etienne> I am just waiting for the confirmation for A9 beeing sent to Fair Trading. 15.03.2018 [21:26:19] <bdmc> Was that paper mail, or electronic? 15.03.2018 [21:27:05] <Etienne> PDF or scanned form sent by mail or paper brougth to a NSW government office - its on you, both possible. 15.03.2018 [21:27:47] <bdmc> Which did you do? 15.03.2018 [21:28:13] <Etienne> I did not walk in their office ;-) 15.03.2018 [21:28:32] <bdmc> Understood. No airplane trips? B-) 15.03.2018 [21:28:50] <Etienne> As the treasurer did not accept to pay the ticket... 15.03.2018 [21:29:18] <bdmc> Yes, he's sticky about that. So I guess that you e-mailed a PDF? 15.03.2018 [21:29:46] <Etienne> Even two: one with the key numbers and one with my credit card details. 15.03.2018 [21:30:21] <bdmc> Ah. There is a fee, I gather. OK, well that should be faster than paper mail. 15.03.2018 [21:30:56] <bdmc> Next, item 2.1.2. Have the Treasurers corresponded? 15.03.2018 [21:31:16] <Etienne> Yes and the fee depends on the date you bring/send it in: up to 1/2/3 month it is 45/75/.... $ 15.03.2018 [21:31:46] <GuKKDevel> treasurer handover was done 15.03.2018 [21:32:01] <bdmc> Etienne: Better sooner, then. 15.03.2018 [21:32:22] <bdmc> Item 2.2. Bug 1260, upgrading PHP. Dirk, are you here? 15.03.2018 [21:32:25] <Etienne> So, the Google Security warnings I had on the teasurer/secretary mail was you? 15.03.2018 [21:32:28] <GuKKDevel> I'm waiting for a notice of a member of treasurer helpers about westpac 15.03.2018 [21:32:37] <GuKKDevel> yepp 15.03.2018 [21:32:49] <GuKKDevel> sorted it out with gero 15.03.2018 [21:34:16] <bdmc> Nothing heard. Perhaps he will join us later. 15.03.2018 [21:34:16] <GuKKDevel> nothing more to say at the moment from me 15.03.2018 [21:34:40] <bdmc> Item 2.3. Bug 1417, generating certificates. 15.03.2018 [21:34:49] <bdmc> Does anybody have anything to say, yet? 15.03.2018 [21:35:17] <PeterYuill> I had a busy 2 weeks, so little progress on my project, more next time. 15.03.2018 [21:35:35] <Etienne> Thank you, PeterYuill 15.03.2018 [21:35:37] <GuKKDevel> neither me 15.03.2018 [21:36:34] <GuKKDevel> did some work on another bug 15.03.2018 [21:37:22] <bdmc> Thank you both. 15.03.2018 [21:37:27] <bdmc> Greetings, Alex. 15.03.2018 [21:37:48] <GuKKDevel> bdmc you leftout 2.2 15.03.2018 [21:37:56] <bdmc> We are steaming through the Agenda. 15.03.2018 [21:38:02] <alex> hello :) 15.03.2018 [21:38:25] <GuKKDevel> hello alex 15.03.2018 [21:38:45] <bdmc> GuKKDevel: I went to 2.2, asked whether Dirk was present, since the Agenda said that he would talk to it, and nobody said anything. 15.03.2018 [21:38:50] <bdmc> We can certainly go back. 15.03.2018 [21:38:55] <GuKKDevel> may I ask who alex you are 15.03.2018 [21:39:05] <GuKKDevel> thanks bdmc 15.03.2018 [21:39:08] <alex> sure you may ask 15.03.2018 [21:39:23] <bdmc> B-) 15.03.2018 [21:39:28] <GuKKDevel> do you answer? 15.03.2018 [21:39:32] <GuKKDevel> .-) 15.03.2018 [21:39:42] <alex> i dont understand the question 15.03.2018 [21:39:45] <alex> ;-) 15.03.2018 [21:39:50] <alex> alex@cacert 15.03.2018 [21:39:54] <Etienne> Are you Alex B or Alex UK? 15.03.2018 [21:39:57] <alex> B 15.03.2018 [21:39:59] <bdmc> OK, Alex, how about a last name? 15.03.2018 [21:40:03] <bdmc> Thank you. 15.03.2018 [21:40:04] <alex> alex@cacert ;-) 15.03.2018 [21:40:11] <alex> sorry for confusion. :) 15.03.2018 [21:40:27] <GuKKDevel> mostly we are new 15.03.2018 [21:40:28] <Etienne> May I present you Alex, our PR officer 15.03.2018 [21:40:34] <alex> but alex-uk is alex-uk because alex is registered nick and registered email :) 15.03.2018 [21:40:35] <GuKKDevel> ahh 15.03.2018 [21:40:52] <bdmc> OK, so GuKKDevel has requested. Any comments on item 2.2? 15.03.2018 [21:41:03] <alex> oh i'm sorry, in this case i have to introduce myself :) 15.03.2018 [21:41:09] <GuKKDevel> I saw the testing system online 15.03.2018 [21:41:27] <bdmc> Running PHP 7.X? 15.03.2018 [21:41:31] <GuKKDevel> also test-mgr seems online 15.03.2018 [21:41:38] <GuKKDevel> I think so 15.03.2018 [21:41:48] <bdmc> Debian machine? 15.03.2018 [21:41:53] <GuKKDevel> yes 15.03.2018 [21:41:56] <Peter> Where is the test system? 15.03.2018 [21:42:05] <GuKKDevel> test.cacert.or 15.03.2018 [21:42:13] <GuKKDevel> or = org 15.03.2018 [21:42:35] <bdmc> So, is that a copy of production code running in the new environment? 15.03.2018 [21:42:36] <GuKKDevel> for test-mgr I would have to look 15.03.2018 [21:43:02] <bdmc> Or just the new environment? 15.03.2018 [21:43:06] <GuKKDevel> I think so, but some test will have to be done 15.03.2018 [21:43:13] <bdmc> Of course. 15.03.2018 [21:43:30] <bdmc> It is a good start, though. 15.03.2018 [21:44:02] <bdmc> Anyone else want to talk about 2.2? 15.03.2018 [21:44:43] <Peter> I will throw away my local test site. 15.03.2018 [21:45:09] <bdmc> Hmmm. It might still be useful. 15.03.2018 [21:45:40] <Etienne> Dirk will join later, but before PeterYuill will leave. 15.03.2018 [21:45:56] <bdmc> OK, thank you. 15.03.2018 [21:46:06] <bdmc> In that case, are we ready for 2.4? 15.03.2018 [21:47:01] <bdmc> ( 45 minutes to go ) 15.03.2018 [21:47:05] <GuKKDevel> may I ask to handle 2.3 previous? 15.03.2018 [21:47:31] <GuKKDevel> I did some research on this matter 15.03.2018 [21:48:05] <bdmc> OK, I thought that you and PeterYuill were talking about that earlier. 15.03.2018 [21:48:28] <GuKKDevel> sorry 2.5 15.03.2018 [21:48:51] <GuKKDevel> it is software to change 15.03.2018 [21:48:56] <bdmc> OK, let's stop for a minute, and see where we are in the Agenda. 15.03.2018 [21:49:13] <GuKKDevel> we are at 2.4 15.03.2018 [21:49:19] <bdmc> I think that we covered both 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 satisfactorily. 15.03.2018 [21:49:23] <GuKKDevel> but this will take much time 15.03.2018 [21:49:48] <bdmc> We looked at 2.2, twice, and expect to hear from Dirk later. 15.03.2018 [21:49:59] <GuKKDevel> therefor I asked to do 2.5 befor we do 2.4 15.03.2018 [21:50:11] <bdmc> We, I think, discussed 2.3, briefly. 15.03.2018 [21:50:18] <bdmc> Am I correct, so far? 15.03.2018 [21:50:23] <GuKKDevel> because this would take little time 15.03.2018 [21:51:14] <GuKKDevel> I wanted to ask about 2.5 but accidentialy wrot 2.3 15.03.2018 [21:51:30] <Etienne> @bdmc: Let's do 2.5 and the rest of time for 2.4 and Dirk 15.03.2018 [21:51:46] <bdmc> OK. So I will consider that my review was correct, and, by request, will look at 2.5, next. 15.03.2018 [21:51:54] <GuKKDevel> thanks Etienne this was what I wanted to ask for 15.03.2018 [21:52:03] <bdmc> ( I get confused so easily! B-) ) 15.03.2018 [21:52:23] <GuKKDevel> Sorry bdmc, my fault 15.03.2018 [21:52:57] <bdmc> No problem. OK, so has anybody decide whether this can happen before 1417, or needs to wait? 15.03.2018 [21:53:11] <bdmc> ( decide = decided ) 15.03.2018 [21:53:13] <GuKKDevel> As I wrote before we have to change source code 15.03.2018 [21:53:26] <GuKKDevel> I am working on this bug 15.03.2018 [21:53:40] <bdmc> OK, but it can happen before 1260, I presume? 15.03.2018 [21:54:08] <GuKKDevel> the problem is less urgent as thought of first 15.03.2018 [21:54:17] <bdmc> That's nice, for a change. 15.03.2018 [21:54:39] <GuKKDevel> only very few DNS-entries do have a CAA record at all 15.03.2018 [21:55:02] <bdmc> I know that it is early, but do you think that you can code once, or will you need to write code for both PHP 5 and PHP 7? 15.03.2018 [21:56:08] <GuKKDevel> as far as I have the needed code exist in both versions 15.03.2018 [21:56:28] <bdmc> OK, good. 15.03.2018 [21:56:45] <bdmc> Anything else you want to report, or anybody else want to comment? 15.03.2018 [21:57:01] <GuKKDevel> I think this will have a time of a year until it has to be 15.03.2018 [21:57:18] <bdmc> So, very urgent! B-) 15.03.2018 [21:57:29] <alex> maybe we will have to check our status at CA/Board 15.03.2018 [21:57:51] <alex> because verification became mandatory by ... october or so last year 15.03.2018 [21:58:02] <Etienne> @GuKKDevel: What is your timetable? 15.03.2018 [21:58:03] <alex> it was already in pipeline for a good while 15.03.2018 [21:58:29] <bdmc> Good point, Alex. Is anybody a member of that Forum, or at least monitoring it? 15.03.2018 [21:58:31] <GuKKDevel> can someone translate please? 15.03.2018 [21:58:44] <GuKKDevel> die records gelten nur für ein Jahr, 15.03.2018 [21:58:46] <alex> and when we want to achieve some respect in community and beyond we should respect the guidelines we have committed to 15.03.2018 [21:59:14] <GuKKDevel> wenn sich innerhalb der gültigkeit etwas ändert, bekommt das die CA gar nicht mit 15.03.2018 [21:59:15] <alex> if nobody of the current board i dont think so @ bdmc 15.03.2018 [21:59:39] <alex> the former-former board took care of it, and probably nobody since then. 15.03.2018 [21:59:55] <Etienne> The former auditor was our represent at CA/Forum (was or is still) 15.03.2018 [22:00:22] <bdmc> Thank you, Alex. Another item for Action Items. So Ian is or was a member? OK. 15.03.2018 [22:00:24] <alex> GuKKDevel, they are valid for one year only? i understood differently from my material. 15.03.2018 [22:00:44] <Etienne> Not Ian, B... (Benedikt?) 15.03.2018 [22:01:09] <alex> i meant the board that left in the beginning of some agm or sgm event... 15.03.2018 [22:01:24] <GuKKDevel> I have to look up , but I think so 15.03.2018 [22:01:31] <alex> i think benedikt or marcus was participating 15.03.2018 [22:01:51] <Etienne> Shoul I ask Benedikt? 15.03.2018 [22:02:11] <GuKKDevel> @Etienne would be best 15.03.2018 [22:02:16] <alex> i don't know the current status of our membership at this association. maybe we can get it there somehow first? 15.03.2018 [22:02:41] <alex> but i think we can also ask benedikt straight away. 15.03.2018 [22:03:59] <GuKKDevel> @Etienne do you have contact to ian? he could also know something 15.03.2018 [22:04:24] <bdmc> I can contact him. ( I will do so immediately after our meeting. ) 15.03.2018 [22:04:24] <Etienne> Yes, I have, but first, I will write to Benedikt. 15.03.2018 [22:04:49] <GuKKDevel> so we can use both channels 15.03.2018 [22:04:53] <Etienne> @bdmc: OK, you write to Ian and I write to Benedikt 15.03.2018 [22:05:21] <bdmc> Will do. 15.03.2018 [22:05:24] <GuKKDevel> 25 minutes left 15.03.2018 [22:05:31] <bdmc> Agreed. 15.03.2018 [22:05:32] <Etienne> (Ian is online on Skype now) 15.03.2018 [22:06:01] <bdmc> OK, if we are ready to move on to 2.4, we can. 15.03.2018 [22:06:42] <Etienne> to idea 14: I have a 50 franc voucher from an online clothing store to win among donors up to a certain date: outfittery.ch 15.03.2018 [22:09:32] <GuKKDevel> great 15.03.2018 [22:09:56] <Etienne> What do you think about the 15 ideas: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01/ideas 15.03.2018 [22:10:12] <GuKKDevel> now we have to create a game where we could do it as a price 15.03.2018 [22:10:22] <bdmc> I don't have a good idea of "use" of that amount. Is it significant for clothing? 15.03.2018 [22:11:43] <Etienne> @bdmc: buy a shirt and trousers for 150, then you pay only 100. 15.03.2018 [22:12:03] <GuKKDevel> I like the idea to write to our users for support 15.03.2018 [22:12:20] <alex> what means silver, gold, platinum... donator? is there any benefit or "just" the name and the good knowledge that you support a community for security? 15.03.2018 [22:12:52] <PeterYuill> I also think that a direct campaign is the best place to start. 15.03.2018 [22:13:13] <alex> ok i didnt read point 14 in time before asking... 15.03.2018 [22:13:40] <Etienne> @alex: it is about honor. 15.03.2018 [22:14:33] <Peter> Linux Mint does a good job of communicating with people and highlighting sponsors/donors: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3509 15.03.2018 [22:15:15] <alex> good point @ Peter 15.03.2018 [22:15:49] <bdmc> 13 and some of the others ( the Kickstarter idea ) can be for "bragging rights" on the CAcert.org web site, rather than starting a new, external, campaign. 15.03.2018 [22:16:36] <bdmc> Create a special page of Donors, whether showing the amount or not, but showing names, if they want them, or "Anonymous." 15.03.2018 [22:17:26] <bdmc> I agree that we need to make use of "social media," even, like others, I have no contact with anything other than LinkedIn. 15.03.2018 [22:17:35] <Etienne> If we write regularly on the blog, why not as Liux Mint included in the news? 15.03.2018 [22:17:42] <bdmc> ( even = even though ) 15.03.2018 [22:18:29] <egal> my idea was to "pin" the first blog-entry to donation ... otherwise it will scroll out as soon as there are more blog-entries ... 15.03.2018 [22:19:08] <GuKKDevel> the idea of a sponsor page is good, but we need to update it at least one a month 15.03.2018 [22:19:17] <egal> (but i have to check, if this is possible "out-of-box" or if it needs a workaround "somehow" 15.03.2018 [22:19:37] <bdmc> egal: we are using a home-grown solution, aren't we? 15.03.2018 [22:20:12] <egal> for blog we use wordpress ... and use a script(?) do get the top 3 entries to www.cacert.org 15.03.2018 [22:20:20] <alex> who looks regularly at blog.cacert.org? 15.03.2018 [22:20:30] <alex> i mean: open this particular site? 15.03.2018 [22:20:52] <bdmc> Looking at the LinuxMint page, they seem to tack the donors and sponsors to the bottom of the news article, not a special article. 15.03.2018 [22:21:15] <bdmc> egal: if it is Wordpress, then it is possible to "freeze" an item. 15.03.2018 [22:21:31] <Etienne> We should repair the blog-to-twitter-function. 15.03.2018 [22:21:32] <alex> i believe hardly anybody from the public and i would wonder if you do. so we cannot freeze on the main site 15.03.2018 [22:21:50] <alex> i think blog-to-twitter is already repaired? 15.03.2018 [22:21:50] <egal> everybody, who opens www.cacert.org sees the first lines of the first three blog-entries ... 15.03.2018 [22:22:21] <bdmc> If that article is always the top one on the blog site, then it should always be the first article on the web site. 15.03.2018 [22:22:31] <egal> @bdmc: correct 15.03.2018 [22:22:54] <alex> maybe we could link prominently on www to blog site? 15.03.2018 [22:23:00] <bdmc> ( ten minutes, folks ) 15.03.2018 [22:23:39] <bdmc> alex: agreed. I was trying to find some information about membership fees earlier from the main site, and had a lot of trouble. 15.03.2018 [22:23:39] <egal> @alex: that's why i think about pinnig the first blog-entry ... ;-) 15.03.2018 [22:23:51] <Etienne> CAcert_news stopped in 2016, but there are more recent blog entries. 15.03.2018 [22:24:59] <egal> (does not require any chances in our software ... ;-) ) 15.03.2018 [22:25:16] <bdmc> Do we want to pause here for a moment and let Dirk talk about 2.2 before PeterYuill has to leave? 15.03.2018 [22:25:39] <alex> true @ Etienne . repair seems not having worked out... 15.03.2018 [22:26:00] <alex> yes, please dirk, talk 15.03.2018 [22:26:02] <GuKKDevel> could we also fix our affiliates(?) booking.com and googleadsense mor prominent? 15.03.2018 [22:27:08] <bdmc> egal: You're up. Anything about Bug 1260? 15.03.2018 [22:27:40] <egal> bugs 1260 means? 15.03.2018 [22:27:52] <GuKKDevel> new debian 15.03.2018 [22:27:52] <bdmc> Sorry, the upgrade from PHP 5 to PHP 7. 15.03.2018 [22:27:54] <egal> (i'm currently not on bugs.cacert.org) 15.03.2018 [22:28:17] <GuKKDevel> new testserver 15.03.2018 [22:28:26] <GuKKDevel> new testmgr 15.03.2018 [22:28:29] <bdmc> And, more generally, bringing the environment into this century. 15.03.2018 [22:29:07] <egal> two days ago ted and i used the time at our secure-u-boardmeeting to check our accesses to the test-machines ... 15.03.2018 [22:29:38] <egal> ted and i do have full access to the testserver (status is the last backup of the it-sls-server) 15.03.2018 [22:30:21] <egal> ted and i do NOT have full access (only user, not root) to the testmanagement-server ... (reason: password lost) ... i'll contact wytze ... 15.03.2018 [22:30:21] <bdmc> Is that production code running on current Debian, or just the OS? 15.03.2018 [22:30:34] <GuKKDevel> reminder 21:30 UTC 15.03.2018 [22:30:55] <egal> the signer seems not to work currently for test-einvironment ... need to figure out, how we can do it ... 15.03.2018 [22:31:02] <PeterYuill> I can stay a few minutes longer 15.03.2018 [22:31:21] <egal> which means: no certificate-logins possible for test-environment ... ;-( 15.03.2018 [22:31:32] <bdmc> Sounds like good progress. ( well.... ) 15.03.2018 [22:32:00] <GuKKDevel> but mysql can be tested wih password login? 15.03.2018 [22:32:14] <egal> sure ... 15.03.2018 [22:32:17] <bdmc> Is that the same issue as "can't create certificates in current browsers?" 15.03.2018 [22:32:23] <GuKKDevel> nope 15.03.2018 [22:33:14] <bdmc> Could it be a PHP 7.X issue? 15.03.2018 [22:33:15] <egal> test-environment has it's own test-CA ... ;-) 15.03.2018 [22:33:48] <bdmc> In other words, can you see all of the logging? 15.03.2018 [22:34:07] <GuKKDevel> we would need to install for the new testserver a new root-cert. 15.03.2018 [22:34:42] <bdmc> That sounds possible. 15.03.2018 [22:34:50] <GuKKDevel> root-certmeans test-root-cert 15.03.2018 [22:35:19] <GuKKDevel> can you do that dirk? 15.03.2018 [22:35:41] <egal> the test-roots? ... yep ... 15.03.2018 [22:36:11] <bdmc> But that isn't the only thing stopping the signer? 15.03.2018 [22:37:08] <GuKKDevel> so we could use them to create certificates to enter the test-site by certificate? 15.03.2018 [22:38:10] <GuKKDevel> on the other hand, is the test-manager working? 15.03.2018 [22:38:58] <egal> i don't know ... as we only have user-access to the server ... 15.03.2018 [22:39:13] <egal> need to check the database and coding of the testmanagement-server ... 15.03.2018 [22:39:56] <egal> (but the testmanagement-server is primary for creating accounts/... and (as far as i know) to "answer"/see the ping-mails from cacert 15.03.2018 [22:40:34] <bdmc> It plays the part of the "user," correct? 15.03.2018 [22:41:46] <PeterYuill> I have to go now, bye all. 15.03.2018 [22:41:53] <GuKKDevel> what about creating the user-database for the server from scratch? could you get full access then? 15.03.2018 [22:41:59] <egal> correct ... with some automatic scripts ... 15.03.2018 [22:42:00] <bdmc> Have a good morning, Peter. 15.03.2018 [22:42:36] <bdmc> GuKKDevel: It sounds as if you could create a whole new machine to perform that role. 15.03.2018 [22:42:44] <GuKKDevel> anydates you dont have time (for the next meeting?) 15.03.2018 [22:42:52] <egal> @gukkdevel: the missing root-access is to allow changes in the coding (maybe necessary for the changed domain) 15.03.2018 [22:43:07] <bdmc> However, if it just means that they need to get passwords changed, that shouldn't be too hard. 15.03.2018 [22:43:44] <egal> correct ... i'll ping wytze these days ... 15.03.2018 [22:44:21] <bdmc> Side question: Are we thinking of two weeks for the next meeting? 15.03.2018 [22:45:23] <GuKKDevel> @egal can you pong us then onboard-private? 15.03.2018 [22:46:22] <bdmc> If you no longer have access, you can write to one or more of us, and we can transfer the message into board-private. 15.03.2018 [22:47:24] <GuKKDevel> we should meet in two weeks to talk about this agendas point 2.4 15.03.2018 [22:47:40] <bdmc> That's what I was thinking, too. 15.03.2018 [22:48:07] <bdmc> egal: do you have anything more, or are there any more questions for Dirk? 15.03.2018 [22:48:22] <egal> write-access to board-private is always possible ... ;-) 15.03.2018 [22:48:32] <bdmc> B-) 15.03.2018 [22:48:56] <GuKKDevel> egal can I help with the pinning of sponsors? 15.03.2018 [22:49:14] <GuKKDevel> wrong wording sorry 15.03.2018 [22:49:21] <bdmc> OK, nothing heard, and it sounds as if we are back to 2.4, anyway. 15.03.2018 [22:50:49] <bdmc> If you are interested, I can send the message that I wrote to my mailing list. I don't know whether it might be useful for "social media" or other uses. 15.03.2018 [22:51:32] <GuKKDevel> sorry but I think if dirk can't say anything more we should quit this session and forward any thing to next meeting 15.03.2018 [22:52:10] <Peter> Good. i have to leave at 9 15.03.2018 [22:52:53] <GuKKDevel> of course we are interested, we could implement it into the mail I'm working on for at idea 12 campaign 15.03.2018 [22:53:01] <Etienne> And I at 23 (it is also in 8 minuts) 15.03.2018 [22:53:12] <bdmc> board-private? 15.03.2018 [22:53:58] <GuKKDevel> this would be best bdmc 15.03.2018 [22:54:27] <bdmc> Will do. 15.03.2018 [22:54:46] <bdmc> In that case, shall we say the 30th at 20:00 UTC? 15.03.2018 [22:54:59] <bdmc> ( 29th? ) 15.03.2018 [22:55:00] <GuKKDevel> so what about april 5 th 15.03.2018 [22:55:46] <bdmc> Either one will do for me. 15.03.2018 [22:55:48] <GuKKDevel> 29th is easterweekend 15.03.2018 [22:55:58] <Peter> 5th/6th is good for me 15.03.2018 [22:56:11] <bdmc> Ah.. I don't pay much attention to those sorts of things until they happen! 15.03.2018 [22:56:24] <bdmc> Any other votes? 15.03.2018 [22:56:30] <Etienne> 5th of April is good for me too. 15.03.2018 [22:56:38] <GuKKDevel> I second peter 15.03.2018 [22:57:00] <GuKKDevel> alex doyou also have time then? 15.03.2018 [22:57:05] <alex> yes 15.03.2018 [22:57:06] <bdmc> OK. Done. Thursday evening the 5th of April, Friday morning, the 6th South of the Equator. 15.03.2018 [22:57:14] <alex> i have time on 5/6 15.03.2018 [22:57:32] <GuKKDevel> I think you could be a help with socialmedia and so 15.03.2018 [22:57:43] <alex> i would like to aid. 15.03.2018 [22:57:50] <bdmc> We welcome you! 15.03.2018 [22:58:12] <GuKKDevel> same time 20:00 UTC? 15.03.2018 [22:58:16] <alex> thank you also for naming me "PR officer", I don't know wether i am re-elected. 15.03.2018 [22:58:24] <GuKKDevel> Thanks to alex 15.03.2018 [22:58:26] <bdmc> OK, any objection to us closing this meeting two minutes early? 15.03.2018 [22:58:27] <alex> If so, I cannot further do it alone, I need help! 15.03.2018 [22:59:01] <alex> We can talk about this topic maybe next time? 15.03.2018 [22:59:05] <GuKKDevel> Alex: this we should sort out next meeting 15.03.2018 [22:59:20] <bdmc> Understood, Alex. We all need help, and so have formed ad-hoc sub-committees. If there are any volunteers, or if you have anybody who can help, Alex, let us know. 15.03.2018 [22:59:43] <alex> thanks 15.03.2018 [23:00:04] <Etienne> Question time? 15.03.2018 [23:00:24] <Peter> Bye. See you on 6th. 15.03.2018 [23:00:39] <bdmc> Oh, yes. I keep forgetting that. 15.03.2018 [23:00:51] <bdmc> Any questions, folks? 15.03.2018 [23:01:31] <bdmc> We can at least get them into the minutes, and carry them forward into our next meeting. 15.03.2018 [23:02:12] <Etienne> (It is not for the question, but for the people on the flor.....) 15.03.2018 [23:02:46] <alex> ;) 15.03.2018 [23:03:52] <GuKKDevel> doesn't look so 15.03.2018 [23:03:58] <bdmc> We have had a pretty busy meeting, with everybody taking part. 15.03.2018 [23:04:13] <alex> :) 15.03.2018 [23:04:35] <bdmc> OK, I will wait until :05, and then we can consider this meeting closed. 15.03.2018 [23:05:24] <bdmc> Since both Peters have already left, I will say Good Night, all!