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• 2018-03-01
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Collection of the suggestion of the community (or at least from the board-mailing list with 181 subscribers; supplemented by consecutive numbering):

• Contents

  1. What was done
     1. Adopted Ideas
  2. Ideas to do
     1. 01-07 Grants
     2. 08-10 Money for CAcert
     3. 11 Crowd funding
     4. 12 Campaign
        1. 1. Channels
           2. Message
           3. Wording
           4. Localisation
           5. Sender
           6. Collecting points
     5. 13 Stay in contact
     6. 14 Gifts
     7. 15 Licence fees
     8. 16 Blog
     9. 17 Mailings from and to Brian
     10. 18 Funding by the EU
     11. 19 Funding by ISIF Asia 2018 Grants and Awards
     12. 20 Wall Calendar
     13. 21 spreadshirt.de
     14. 22-36 more funds and grants
         1. 22-23 Next year (2019)
         2. 24 general internet / foss grants
         3. 25-33 to check
         4. 34-36 more possibilities
     15. 37-45 Volunteers and participants
         1. Blockchain

What was done

This table does not include grant solicitation activities.

Adopted Ideas

This table lists our recent grant solicitation activities.

Please send an e-mail message to the Board Mailing List if you want to adopt one or more of the Ideas on this page. You do not need to be the only one who adopts a particular Idea. Many hands make light work. When you send this message, someone will edit this table to show your participation.

Ideas to do

01-07 Grants

In the last meeting of the committee, the treasurer asked for ideas to get more money, as (01) membership fees and current (02) donations do not cover the hosting costs (and collect them on both, board-list and board-private-list.

That is was I found just yesterday. It is more for a concrete project (f.eg. replicate the keygen-tag), not really to cover hosting costs. We can try to get some funding:

• 03 https://renewablefreedom.org/contact/ - The "Renewable Freedom Foundation" granted 5000 € to a group of people that wants to create a free certificate authority in Austria. This foundation writes "We do not accept unsolicited requests for funding at this time." -- 2019 additional note: However, contact with Moritz Bartl was positive in regards to a possible collaboration. -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-06-26 12:47:00

• 04 https://www.coreinfrastructure.org/grants Note 2019: the organization looks like an empty shell -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-07-22 15:18:18

• 05 https://www.opentech.fund/apply/alternative-sources-support Note 2019: Concept note submitted, grant application coming next. -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-09-01 07:46:08

• 06 https://nlnet.nl/foundation/network.html

• 07 http://wiki.openhatch.org/Opportunities Note 2019: OpenHatch has shut down operations) -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-07-22 15:18:18

• 01-07bis.1 https://linux.org.au/category/linux-australia/grants/

• 01-07bis.2 https://www.fondation-free.fr/Votreprojet Negative answer received -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-07-22 15:18:18

• 01-07bis.3 https://socialtechtrust.org/programmes/apply-for-grant/ Negative answer received -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-07-22 15:18:18

Any other ideas? Any experiance with one of this organisation? Any contact to one of this organisation?

Best regards Etienne

• Grants for CAcert, Etienne R, 01/30/2018

we should propagate more our donations we have: so to inform users, we have a point with booking.com and each member should try to use this bookingsystem we get clicks paid from google, but must of us use to use an adblocker or more. so to switch it off on cacert-pages. (GuKKDevel)

08-10 Money for CAcert

Again (but another e-mail as that just before!): In the last meeting of the committee, the treasurer asked for ideas to get more money, as membership fees and current donations do not cover the hosting costs (and collect them on both, board-list and board-private-list.

• 08 Probabely it would help, when the treasurer sends the invoices for the annual fee early this year, so money comes early as well.
• 09 Enlarge CAcert Inc.: The community has hundreds or even thousends more members than the association. It's a reservoir to attract more members.
• 10 Offer a kind of sponsorship for community members: Silver-Donator for 5€, Gold-Donator for 11€, Titan-Donator for 55 €, Platinum-Donator for 111 € (annually by standing order).

Any other ideas?

Best regards Etienne

• Money for CAcert, Etienne R, 01/30/2018

  Comment: The idea is: "give 11 instead 10" or 22 instead 20 or 55 instead 50 for a little bit of honor

Alex:

• 08-10bis.1 On any wiki site add a "Support CAcert" logo linking to a donation page (regard https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_remoteip.html linking to https://www.apache.org/foundation/contributing.html)

11 Crowd funding

(11) I contacted someone who has substantial experience in crowd funding. The summary of that conversation is that there are a number of very useful crowd funding platforms (eg gofundme and kickstarter), but the engine of all successful campaigns is social media. As a person with no genuine exposure to social media I will have to pass that over to those that do. My acquaintance thought that an appeal from CAcert would generate interest, but needed a significant social media following to get it started. Perhaps an appeal to the community to put the campaign out to social media might work?

Regards, Peter

• Re: Money for CAcert, Peter Y, 02/01/2018`

12 Campaign

(12)

Channels

cacert@-lists, twitterCAcert, XING, facebook?, our own blog ...

Message

• Sent in how many mailings? One? Two, three? Insist?
• * I would say: A mail and after two weeks again a mail. (PR Of)
• Goal: members? donations? money for...?
• * My Opinion: Primary Members, alternatively one-time donations (PR Of)

Proposal for a mailtext to cacert@lco could be translated to xx for cacert-xx@lco: (GuKKDevel)

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Dear CAcert community member,

we are proud in beeing a nonprofit Organisation and to provide you all with a certificate at no charge, we believe in beeing saver than any other certification authority as we have a big web-of-trust in background.

Though we do not pay the people who do all the work, and it is much work for so few people who there are providing us, we have to pay money for the equipment we need to hold available for instance a server, also we have to pay for the data traffic we produce as each mail produces costs.

Until now we had some income from Google AdSense, provisions from booking.com, and last but not least the membership fees of the members from CAcert INC..

But as we get less money from our provisions we want you to inform about some sponsoring links and plead with you to use those links as often as you can.

• At the moment we only have one affiliate booking.com, so please if you use this booking-site with the following link https://www.booking.com/index.html?aid=346253. You don't pay more but support CAcert.

• Most of us have an ad-blocker active if we are surfing, but CAcert gets money from Google AdSense if one surfs un our sites with blocker disabled. So please if you are looking on our websites, switch your adblockers off.

• Also we want to ask you to give us a donation if you can afford it. We can be donated at paypal: paypal@cacert.org.

hope we did not startle you, but we are running out of money in a short period, and would have to shut CAcert down.

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omit question mark and reverse write "membership fees from member of CAcert Inc. and also provisions from partners like booking. com" - not quite correct, the other is advertising revenue. Is that somehow possible in a half-sentence like "advertisments and provsisions" without naming a partner? Or rather the three Call advertising partners? Otherwise booking.com is better placed and there there is only revenue from using the right affiliate tag (aid=).

"running out of money" is probably important. I would rather not write "in a short period" and "would have to shut CAcert down" I would rather leave out, even if it is the consequence of course and maybe "hard words" are also important. (PR Of)

questionmarks were meant as placeholders to fill in the correct names of and links to sponsors, donators or other incomes I don't know the correct names and kinds of

By this we should name our affiliate partners more prominent on our first Page and not on a page you have to search for.

I thought this consequence should be made really clear to all community members, as all of them are affected by this

But we should also give statement about the difference to letsencrypt (the other free of charge CA) and our advantage thereby/packed (GuKKDevel)

Wording

(and illustration! see Twitter&Blog)

Localisation

English, German, other languages: makes it sense?

ask translation-group.

How many subscribers do we have at

Regional lists from Germany

* main CAcert languages
d available on deepl.com ("the world’s best machine translation"), also (pl) and (nl)
i inhouse translators available, also (cz)

Sender

President? Treasurer?

Collecting points

• paypal
• Westpac Bank Account for AU$: Account Name: CAcert Inc / SWIFT: WPACAU2S / Account No.: 180264 * IBAN secure-u for € (avoid exchange taxes)
• secure-u e.V. Bank: Hamburger Volksbank e.G. IBAN: DE50 2019 0003 0008 5478 07 BIC: GENODEF1HH2 ("for CAcert") (secure-u is our local partner in the EU and Germany, a kind of CAcert Germany)

13 Stay in contact

(13) Treasurer should send a thank-you-mail to each donator in 2-4 days. He should name the donator, say thank you and give a short overview for what the money is used. If possible in the main languages (english, german, any more?) (E.R.)

(13a) There could also be a list of donators in Wiki or on Main-site (GuKKDevel)

14 Gifts

(14) Donors can get a gift that someone is donating. For example: The first three donors starting next Monday will receive an image/original photograph/... from xyz. Or: Among all donors of the month April we raffle 1 xyz coffee machine, 1 xyz software license and 3 10$-xyz-store value cards. (E.R.)

15 Licence fees

(15) As we know, not only CAcert is affected by Bug 1417. Some of our people are working with high pressure on a solution. If it works, we may be able to license the solution non-exclusively to other affected CAs. I am thinking here of royalties (money) or a non-monetary gift (cross-signature of the root certificate). (E.R.)

16 Blog

(16) My idea was to "pin" the first blog-entry to donation ... otherwise it will scroll out as soon as there are more blog-entries. (egal) Note 2019: done as soon as proposed -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-09-01 08:25:38

17 Mailings from and to Brian

Since there are quite a few on this list who have either performed
CAcert Assurances or had one performed for themselves, I thought that I
would ask where the wind was blowing these days.  I might ramble, so
please bear with me.



For the people who aren't aware, I will quote from the website:
cacert.org:

=====

CAcert.org is a community-driven Certificate Authority that issues
certificates to the public at large for free.

CAcert's goal is to promote awareness and education on computer security
through the use of encryption, specifically by providing cryptographic
certificates. These certificates can be used to digitally sign and
encrypt email, authenticate and authorize users connecting to websites
and secure data transmission over the internet. Any application that
supports the Secure Socket Layer Protocol (SSL or TLS) can make use of
certificates signed by CAcert, as can any application that uses X.509
certificates, e.g. for encryption or code signing and document
signatures.

=====

There are effectively two levels of membership in CAcert.  The first is
membership in the Community, which gives you the ability to create and
use X.509 certificates issued by CAcert on your behalf.  Beyond that,
Community Members may voluntarily assist with donations of money, time
or goods, because there is always work to be done and expenses to be
paid.   For instance, all Community Members are automatically members of
the Policy Committee, and may participate in discussions and votes on
the Policies of CAcert, as they choose.

The second level of membership is that of Membership in CAcert, Inc.,
the non-profit organization that manages the assets and operations of
CAcert, and was formed fifteen years ago.  Membership involves an
application and a nominal annual fee, and allows voting in the Annual
General Meeting and other such meetings.  That membership also allows
membership in the Board of Directors.


OK, now that I have discussed some history and background, I want to ask
my question, for both the people who have participated or are currently
participating in CAcert in some way, and for those who have not.

Considering that there are services such as Let's Encrypt, which offers
an X.509 Certificate for "free" to anyone, for a short, renwable,
period, is CAcert's Web of Trust, Community and independence from
commercial Certificate Authorities such as Verisign, still attractive to
the TriLUG community and the world at large?


I look forward to a lively discussion, as we frequently have here.

SSL has two primary, orthogonal functions:
1) Keep outsiders from listening in on our conversation
2) Assure one or both of us that the other is who they claim to be

Certificates are most important in part (2), though common SSL setups require a certificate to exist even to do part (1).  Let's Encrypt facilitates part (1), but by offering "an X.509 Certificate for 'free' to anyone," does little or nothing to uphold part (2).  CACert's value is in being a noncommercial broker of part (2).

18 Funding by the EU

<ste80pa> hello
<ste80pa> there is this opportunity in EU funding
https://ec.europa.eu/inea/en/connecting-europe-facility/cef-telecom/apply-funding/2018-eid)--

--(The 2018 CEF Telecom eIdentification & eSignature call makes an indicative €8 million of funding available for proposals in this area.
Call deadline: 15 May

Note 2019: I attended to the "CEF Info Day" in 2018 and 2019: https://ec.europa.eu/inea/en/connecting-europe-facility/cef-telecom/apply-funding/2019-eid

Participation to the programm requires to form a consortium of at least 3 entities, located in 3 different EU countries, in order to apply. The program is not open to a non-profit organisation bidding alone. Such kind of grant application looks like being beyond the capabilities of CAcert at the present time. -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-07-22 15:18:18

19 Funding by ISIF Asia 2018 Grants and Awards

https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board/2018-04/msg00004.html)--
--(Call deadline: 30 April 2018

20 Wall Calendar

A print on demand wall calendar with photos (beautiful sceneries) from around the world. Each member of the committee and team members send one picture. (f.eg. a riverside near support ingeneer's home, view from the hill behind secretary's home, counrtyside from vice president's holiday, ... Printed on demand (no risk for CAcert Inc.), printing costs ca. 6.-, sold for 16.-, benefit 10.- each.

• https://www.gooten.com/products/print-on-demand-wall-calendars/ starting from 10.80

• http://www.lulu.com/create/books#calendar 6.00 for 14 pages (paper 100g)

• https://www.calvendo.de customer can buy A5/A4/A3/A2, but benefit verry small, because not direct selling

• http://www.askprint.co.uk/services/calendar-printing-prices.html from 8.00 13 pages (paper 160g)

21 spreadshirt.de

Promote our https://shop.spreadshirt.de/cacertshop/

22-36 more funds and grants

22-23 Next year (2019)

• 22 https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/latest-security-news/facebook-offering-100k-grants-fund-internet-security-projects/

allready closed --ER; Note 2019: the 2019 innitiative was not renewed by Facebook in 2019 -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-09-01 08:25:38

• 23 https://www.fireafrica.org/grant Note 2019: The organisation does not support projects initiated ouside of Africa -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-07-22 15:18:18

24 general internet / foss grants

• 24 http://innovationfund.comcast.com/ Note 2019: grant application submitted in June 2019 -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-09-01 08:25:38

25-33 to check

• 25 https://erneuerbare-freiheit.de/ contacted

• 26 https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cbr-scrt/index-en.aspx

• 27 https://foundation.travis-ci.org/grants

• 28 https://numfocus.org/blog/summer-2018-open-source-development-grants CAcert is not eligible for their category "affiliated projects". -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-08-02 05:47:33

• 29 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/grants/

• 30 https://medium.com/gitcoin/grow-open-source-ethereum-foundation-grant-d393802fe9aa

• 31 https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/grants

• 32 https://foundationfar.org/2017/11/30/ffar-awards-1-million-grant-create-open-source-technology-gene-discovery-plants/

• 33 be fast! https://www.bwstiftung.de/forschung/programme/neue-technologien/ikt-sicherheit/

• 25-33bis.1 https://www.linuxfoundation.org/projects/ Note 2019: Work in progress -- Frédéric Dumas 2019-09-01 08:25:38

34-36 more possibilities

• 34 List of 35 foundations to check: https://erneuerbare-freiheit.de/foerderung/alternative-foerdermoeglichkeiten/

• 35 Overview for grants / Fördergelder Übersicht: https://www.digitale-chancen.de/content/funding/index.cfm/secid.161/secid2.210

• 36 maybe some donators / Mögliche Spender: https://www.stiftung-nv.de/de/finanzierung

37-45 Volunteers and participants

• 37 Spenden & Freiwillige http://www.ngoleitfaden.org/online-menschen-mobilisieren/freiwillige-finden-leicht-gemacht/

• 38 http://www.freiwillig-aktiv.ch/start.html

• 39 https://www.seniorweb.ch/knowledge-article/die-neuen-freiwilligen

• 40 https://www.freiwillig.hamburg/angebot-finden.html

• 41 https://freiwillige.it/

• 42 http://www.wegweiser-freiwilligenarbeit.com/einsatzorte/

• 43 http://www.freiwilligenweb.at/de/nuetzliches/projekte

• 44 https://www.betterplace.org/de/volunteering/list?utf8=%E2%9C%93&map_options%5Blat%5D=48&map_options%5Blng%5D=1.7&map_options%5Bzoom%5D=2&search_form%5Bq%5D=&search_form%5Bscope%5D=all&search_form%5Bfilters%5D%5Blat%5D=&search_form%5Bfilters%5D%5Blng%5D=&search_form%5Bfilters%5D%5Btopic_ids%5D=&search_form%5Bfilters%5D%5Bactivity_ids%5D=&search_form%5Bfilters%5D%5Btime_selection%5D=&search_form%5Bfilters%5D%5Bfixed_location%5D=0

• 45 https://www.benevol-jobs.ch/de/recruiter costs a lot of money

• 46 Hasler Stiftung https://haslerstiftung.ch/en/what-the-hasler-foundation-supports/open-support/small-projects-requested-amount-up-to-chf-50000/ (they supported in the past https://www.privasphere.com)

• 47 Fundraiso.ch

Blockchain

• 48 First contact
• 49 Second contact (Iang): "I know a knowledgeable and helpful guy in Z... who might be a good resource on associations. He's a business guy in the blockchain space, helps with a lot of projects, and is strong on governance." 25.3.2021

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