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19:02:13
bdmc
I could have sworn that my calendar said an hour from now. 
19:02:18
Sorry to be late. 
19:03:00
I see three Board Members, and one other. 
19:03:51
mcr: I presume that you are still in European time? 
19:04:51
KimNilsson
bdmc Etienne mcr KimNilsson <= four board members 
19:05:23
bdmc
I can't count.  You know that!  B-) 
19:05:33
Etienne
Hello, 19:00 european not daylight saving time 
19:05:47
bdmc
Yes, we talked about that yesterday. 
19:06:28
Do we want to start immediately, or see if any others join us? 
19:06:53
I had hoped that Frederic, at least, would join us. 
19:07:28
Etienne
I hoped too. 
19:07:30
bdmc
North American time changes Sunday coming. 
19:08:04
There has been talk about time never changing, but it is still being discussed. 
19:08:39
Etienne
:-( 
19:09:10
bdmc
Would it be acceptable if we waiting until XX:15, or do you want XX:10? 
19:09:20
( waiting >>>> waited ) 
19:12:15
KimNilsson
XX.10 came and went 
19:12:27
bdmc
It did. 
19:12:33
I didn't see an answer. 
19:12:36
KimNilsson
Meeting minutes will be here, https://nextcloud.cacert.org/apps/files/?dir=/CAcert%20board/CAcert%20-%20Committee%20meetings&openf... 
19:13:48
bdmc
Does everybody have their Agenda? 
19:13:57
KimNilsson
Anyone who has access is free to help out, to make them reflect the events of the meeting. 
19:14:23
I can see the agenda. 
19:14:43
Etienne
https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-11-03 
19:15:09
bdmc
Well, the time has come, as the Walrus said. 
19:15:24
I hereby call this meeting of the CAcert Board, to order. 
19:15:54
I had something that I wanted to bring up, but it is something that Frederic has been driving, so I will postpone that. 
19:16:17
Kim has already talked about Minutes, so that item is past. 
19:16:38
Is there anyting in the mailing lists that should be brought before the Board? 
19:16:41
Etienne
(If I do not answer quickly, it is, beause I am helping my son to make his turnpipe lantern https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A4benlicht ) 
19:17:04
There was a discussion about an e-mail from Jan month ago. 
19:17:43
bdmc
That looks like a good project. 
19:18:08
Etienne
(The Swiss version of Halloween) 
19:18:09
bdmc
I saw that some people helped contribute to that thread. 
19:18:29
Is there something more that we can, or should, do? 
19:19:21
Etienne
perhaps ask dirk for his assessment of the situation. 
19:19:47
KimNilsson
Dirk said he may be a tad late today, as the meeting is early. 
19:20:04
bdmc
Yes.  I don't remember whether Dirk can contribute on that mailing list. 
19:20:43
We should definitely bring it up next Wednesday. 
19:21:15
If there is nothing else, we can continue on with last month's minutes. 
19:21:23
Etienne
I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 4th of October 2022. 
19:21:36
bdmc
Unfortunately, the meeting was on the 6th. 
19:21:39
KimNilsson
When Michael picked it up last week, Dirk and Jan were not included. They were last year. so Dirk would have to be informed of what the rest of uf have said since then. 
19:22:07
Etienne: There has to be a slight adjustment to last month's minutes. 
19:22:08
bdmc
I will make a point of forwarding those messages to him. 
19:22:36
KimNilsson
I had failed to insert Michael's name in the list of absent board members. 
19:22:59
I have done so a few minutes ago (pun intended). :-) 
19:23:01
Etienne
I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 6th of October 2022. 
19:23:23
bdmc
Seconded 
19:24:12
KimNilsson: I just refreshed my copy, and I don't see that change. 
19:24:29
KimNilsson
That's because I adjusted the minutes, not the wiki. Doing that now. 
19:25:44
bdmc
All in favour of the adjusted minutes? 
19:26:21
Etienne
aye 
19:26:22
KimNilsson
Minutes should now be correct. 
19:26:28
Etienne
(Michael just added as asked) 
19:26:39
KimNilsson
Aye 
19:26:54
bdmc
It appears that there are two copies open for editing. 
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19:27:42
bdmc
Welcome Frederic. 
19:27:43
Etienne
Hello Frédéric, bienvenue! 
19:28:06
bdmc
We are just voting on last month's minutes. 
19:28:10
Etienne
tu peux nous saluer avec un "aye" pour les minutes 
19:28:20
bdmc
Aye 
19:28:35
KimNilsson
aha - did you also edit the minutes, Etienne ? I see there's a conflict now. 
19:28:53
bdmc
Yes, he said that he was. 
19:28:58
( did ) 
19:29:12
KimNilsson
Ok, best if I don't touch it then. Not enough experience with the wiki to fix that. 
19:29:13
bdmc
You two can fight about it. 
19:29:15
Etienne
Yes I did just ad Michael 
19:29:21
FD
Hello or good evening to everyone. 
19:29:33
bdmc
Going back to the beginning. 
19:29:34
KimNilsson
Hi Frederic. 
19:30:12
bdmc
For some time, Frederic, and perhaps others, have been pushing for a spoken meeting, rather than a written one. 
19:30:43
Etienne:  Is there something in our rules ( or By-Laws ) that discusses the meeting format? 
19:31:56
Etienne
I do not think so. 
19:32:09
bdmc
So just tradition. 
19:32:54
In that case, I will ask for an informal vote regarding whether to change these meetings to be verbal or stay written, as they have been for years. 
19:33:10
KimNilsson
And not all traditions are kept. This says meetings should be on Sundays every second week. https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee 
19:33:24
bdmc
Good point. 
19:33:47
How does everybody want to continue in the future? 
19:34:09
I have resisted, but will conform with the group wishes. 
19:35:27
FD
Thank you Brian for the initiative to put the topic on the table. You know my opinion. :-) 
19:37:08
KimNilsson
That same page also says IRC is the place. - But, Etienne thinks there is no such "rule", so if that is so, we can decide otherwise, and then just adjust this *information* page. 
19:37:36
bdmc
That's why I started with that question. 
19:37:58
Etienne
The wiki is not the rules. It is just "common". The rules are the statutes, but I do not know them by heart. 
19:38:58
KimNilsson
yeah, that's what I figured 
19:39:15
bdmc
Any thoughts regarding this issue, Etienne and Kim? 
19:39:28
Etienne
For discussions, I see advantages in talking. Passing on information or voting is certainly quicker via IRC. 
19:39:37
bdmc
I don't think that Michael is present. 
19:40:28
I also don't think that there is any way for us to properly conduct a vote on a motion verbally. 
19:40:50
KimNilsson
Etienne: I agree. bdmc - and I agree with that too. 
19:41:14
bdmc
OK, so perhaps some kind of "hybrid" meeting? 
19:41:52
Etienne
Probably. And after 3-4x we will find a good modus vivendi. I hope. 
19:42:00
bdmc
Using two different channels simultaneously? 
19:42:03
KimNilsson
Opening up topics for verbal discussion, and bringing them to voting, and then opening up the next topic. 
19:42:13
egal
salue 
19:42:23
Etienne
wink wink egal 
19:42:28
KimNilsson
Evening Dirk 
19:42:32
bdmc
OK.  I would suggest that we try this in the first meeting after the AGM. 
19:42:46
Let's continue, now that Dirk has joined us. 
19:42:53
FD
Thank you Brian. 
19:43:25
bdmc
Section 2.  Etienne, how much do you want me to skip? 
19:43:49
Etienne
Probably, we can skip 1 & 2. Introduction for 3 & 4: Since the new board will be more or less the old board, maybe we can have some basic thoughts tonight. 
19:44:31
bdmc
In that case, I think that I want to jump down to Item 2.11 -- the AGM. 
19:45:02
In the item that I added to that, I am asking about Nominations.  Etienne? 
19:46:05
Etienne
Until now, none. I am sending a reminder to the members again today. There I will also briefly present the previous ones. How can you define Kim and Sascha positively in 1 sentence? 
19:46:19
(For the others, I have already a sentence) 
19:46:47
bdmc
Kim has become a strong voice in CAcert, helping and guiding in many ways. 
19:47:18
Etienne
Thank you. 
19:47:27
bdmc
I have not had much contact with Sascha, so need someone else. 
19:49:07
Etienne
Frédéric Dumas, who supports the board as an entrepreneur through his strategic thinking. 
19:49:16
Brian McCullough, who as long-time president prudently holds the various wings together. 
19:49:25
bdmc
B-) 
19:49:29
Etienne
Michael Richardson, who with a lot of patience has brought light back into the darkness of our finances and has started to put the financial management on a stable footing. 
19:49:36
bdmc
Yes 
19:49:50
Etienne, the rock. 
19:51:10
Etienne
If there are no nominations, there can be done on the AGM itself. 
19:51:11
KimNilsson
"managing the chaos of communications across all the interwebs" :-) 
19:51:42
bdmc
As far as reports, now that I have submitted mine, late as always, do you have everything you need? 
19:52:35
KimNilsson
Does nominations have to come through a single official channel? And are self-nominations before the AGM ok, or only at the AGM? 
19:52:43
Etienne
The annual report will be sent one week before the AGM to the association members. I hope we will have a financial report as well. What I heart from the treasurer, this is on the way. 
19:53:08
bdmc
Thank you, Etienne.   Going back to Item 2.3 
19:53:29
egal
one week before the agm? ... means: saturday? ... or do you plan to send it sunday to receive the latest team-reports? 
19:53:49
(being a little bit late this year writing the reports ... ;-( ) 
19:54:51
Etienne
The president's report should be sent seven days before the AGM to the members (or before). The team reports should be avilable on the wiki as soon as possible. 
19:55:23
egal
so i have all the time until agm ... ;-) 
19:55:27
Etienne
egal: do not write reports, just (in german) Repörtlein. 
19:55:43
egal
(try to finish the reports this weekend ... ;-) ) 
19:56:15
KimNilsson
yeah, no essays, right - only asking for broad conceptual descriptions of what happended during the year 
19:56:21
Etienne
As you have wiki edit access ;-) 
19:58:43
bdmc
Does anybody have any suggestions for the three questions in Item 2.3? 
19:58:51
KimNilsson
Ok, so 2.3.1 - What we will suggest the new committee to continue. 
19:59:04
Etienne
Maybe we merge 3&4, that could be easyier. 
19:59:06
bdmc
Keep on keeping on. 
19:59:31
Etienne, I considered that.  We'll see how it goes. 
19:59:35
KimNilsson
Browser certificate creation - there is a promising bit of code there 
19:59:45
bdmc
So I hear. 
20:00:11
Do I remember that it is Javascript-based? 
20:00:27
So it will run in users' browsers? 
20:01:19
egal
but ... is this something board should take continue? ... that's software (as well as finalizing the openid-connect-stuff) 
20:01:44
main item should be to raise manpower ... ;-) 
20:01:44
KimNilsson
egal: ahhhh, so true - good catch! 
20:01:46
bdmc
I agree.  We should direct general directions, not specifics. 
20:02:36
egal
more manpower (you may gender it as you like) give more speed in development/... etc. 
20:02:37
KimNilsson
So, I change my proposition to: "Stop micro managing!" :-) 
20:03:06
Etienne
egal: Actually, board doesn't have to do anything but having a look and the AGM. We set ourselves annual goals, which a team or individuals then implement. 
20:03:26
bdmc
KimNilsson: I have tried to avoid that in the past.  Have we been doing that? 
20:04:00
Etienne
The stronger the community, the less the board needs to do. At the moment, a part of us is in the intersection. 
20:04:21
bdmc
A part?   Aren't we all wearing too many hats? 
20:04:54
KimNilsson
bdmc: We often get stuck in such discussions, when we should't. software and Critical Teams should always do what is best, andn ot have to wait for Board decisions. 
20:05:07
"and not have to" 
20:05:41
bdmc
Exactly.  Again, we should be setting direction, not doing the job of the teams. 
20:06:18
KimNilsson
Etienne: Exactly, that is what I expected the Board do, but then in every meeting we dig so incredibly deep down into things that Teams are responsible for and should do without decisions by Board. 
20:06:32
Etienne
I want to restart the conversation with Guy regarding OrgA. That was left undone this year. 
20:06:49
bdmc
I agree. 
20:08:05
bdmc
Perhaps, and this may not be a today thing, but after the AGM, we should create a list of "important" things that CAcert needs.  More People, at the top of the list.   OrgA is important, too. 
20:08:14
KimNilsson
That sounds like a great fit for 2.3.3 - things that we didn't do. 
20:08:15
FD
I would add three recommendations: (1) solve problems by following the path of least resistance, in a "start-up" spirit; (2) give friendly encouragement to active members for any initiative that promotes human face-to-face communication; (3) build in the next two years a service offer for IT equipment manufacturers without PKI. 
20:09:16
bdmc
Why face-to-face?   What about Remote Assurances? 
20:11:23
bdmc
I would think that a more general goal might be to broaden, or re-establish, the presence of CAcert in the world of communications. 
20:12:17
( or secure communications ) 
20:13:44
FD
My English is not as precise as my French. I meant, "by talking to each other" rather than "by writing to each other". Giving priority to team spirit, to cooperation, by favouring what makes us know each other, rather than relying on email, which mainly transmits "things to do", which we don't do. 
20:14:38
bdmc
Could I suggest that we set our first meeting after the AGM, December, of course, as without many of the regular items, but instead me concentrating on goal setting and defining. 
20:14:43
Etienne
Remote assurance is also talking... to someone I can see. 
20:14:57
bdmc
( instead me >> instead be ) 
20:16:26
KimNilsson
FD: yes - text communication is fine for booking a live meeting - it's extremely inefficient for discussion. 
20:18:31
KimNilsson
Typing an email for (half) an hour is often easily resolved in a five minute conversation. 
20:18:45
FD
And also to get to know each other, appreciate each other, help each other. 
20:19:28
KimNilsson
As long as people talk _on topic_, else a live meeting can just as easily have an indefinite length. 
20:19:49
egal
the disadvantage is, that we exclude every non-english member from following the meeting ... (translating text is way easier than translating speed) 
20:20:18
KimNilsson
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
20:20:52
egal
so i suggest to do it hybrid (as we did before: talking via BBB or jitsi while one (or more) members are adding and reading text to/from IRC) 
20:21:22
KimNilsson
However... back to reality... how often do we have members present without English conversational skills? 
20:22:01
You are, of course, right, egal 
20:23:08
Etienne
That is exactly, what we talked tonight at xx:40.... 
20:23:13
KimNilsson
Yes, making sure that _decisions_ are put into text. Also voting in text. 
20:23:25
bdmc
KimNilsson: Fortunately, you are not asking the opposite.  I took French for a dozen years in school, into University, but have had not need to keep it up, and could not participate today. 
20:23:33
Etienne
and distributing short information 
20:24:03
bdmc
( not need >>> no need ) 
20:24:58
KimNilsson
bdmc: for sure, but French isn't even in the same ballpark when we're talking about universality. Which is why we use English in these conversations, and I'm fairly sure that not even those who do speak French or German would truly consider we switch. 
20:25:04
bdmc
( nothing about my English writing skills!!! ) 
20:25:13
Etienne
bdmc: I propose that we start holding the meetings in French. In 12 months at the latest, you will have 200% better chances on the job market! 
20:25:19
KimNilsson
hah 
20:25:35
bdmc
B-) 
20:26:20
I have seen no response to my suggestions at xx:11 and xx:14, above. 
20:26:43
Also, have we talked enough about Items 2.3 and 2.4? 
20:26:53
KimNilsson
Anyway, this is all well and fun (the things Frederic wishes we do more) but the meeting stalls when we go off on tangents like this. :-) 
20:26:59
Etienne
suggestions x:14: I agree. I noted already on my paper. 
20:27:40
KimNilsson
It's super hard for me to take minutes when the discussions aren't actually on topic enough to write. :-) 
20:27:56
bdmc
OK, since I have not seen Michael, we will skip ahead to Item 2.7. 
20:28:13
Who is going to talk on this one? 
20:28:22
Etienne
And not a board goal, but a task for me and egal: finish the big cca  mailing. As the EUR IBAN just arrived, there is no more excuse :-( 
20:29:26
Etienne
2.7. The transition is on the way, first mails from BIT arrived this week (I did not read them until now). 
20:29:52
FD
We had had discussions between Dirk, Michael, and me. Unfortunately, I don't remember being directly involved in the preparation of a document, as the agenda seems to say. Or had I committed myself to doing so, and did not? 
20:30:38
bdmc
egal: Anything? 
20:32:14
KimNilsson
FD: The agenda has said exactly that since August. 
20:32:18
egal
the last invoice secure-u got from BIT had etiennes postal address .... 
20:32:42
KimNilsson
FD: In July the agenda said: Secretary got in touch with Mark O. for paperwork. Next step: Sign the contract on behalf of Cacert Inc. 
20:32:57
egal
... so i assume the handover from secure-u to CAcert (regarding BIT) is fisnihed ... 
20:33:46
bdmc
That's good news. 
20:33:55
KimNilsson
Here's where that phrase comes from: 2.5.1 future of secure-U - Michael asked for an inventory. Frédéric and Dirk started some paperwork; Mark O and Etienne R are waiting until this is done 
20:34:30
egal
inventory will be done at next visit at BIT (planned in ~2 weeks) 
20:34:43
Etienne
Thank you! 
20:35:12
bdmc
Good.  Moving on to Item 2.8 -- Background checks. 
20:35:22
Anything other than what we see in the Agenda? 
20:35:46
Etienne
I do not think so. 
20:36:04
KimNilsson
I've heard nothing about mine since last. 
20:36:41
bdmc
OK.  Well, since Item 2.10 says everything that is known, I would say that we have reached the end of the "formal" Agenda. 
20:37:02
Does anybody present have any questions for anybody? 
20:37:50
egal
2.9 ? 
20:38:12
ccc congress (and of the year) is cancelled 
20:38:21
bdmc
Yes, you are correct.  I didn't see anything mentioned there. 
20:38:31
Etienne
why? 
20:38:41
bdmc
Oh, no.  The end of the year is cancelled? 
20:38:49
egal
fosdem is announced (beginning february) ... but i'm not sure, if i'll be there ... depends on corona-situation ... 
20:38:51
KimNilsson
2022 FOREVER MAN! 
20:39:19
egal
ccc-camp is announced for august next year ... 
20:39:46
(doing a lot of typos today ... as i'm a little but ill ... ;-( ) 
20:40:13
bdmc
I'm not, but I am doing that too! 
20:40:19
KimNilsson
(and the lack of comma between "forever" and "man" gives is a slight unclear meaning) 
20:40:31
Guess we're all doing it today. :-) 
20:41:45
Etienne
FD: any news from Wacław? 
20:46:08
KimNilsson
Oh, I can mention something here too - I did during Wednesday meeting (twice I think). 
20:47:02
I started documenting the idea of moving some CAcert content out from behind the "walled garden" of CAcert's root cert, in this file. https://nextcloud.cacert.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/CAcert%20board/Work%20products&fileid=5957 
20:47:31
Since I only brought up the concept, and don't know what is possible, and what isn't, everyone is invited to contribute. 
20:47:39
FD
@Etienne: No, but on my initiative I was only in contact with him at the beginning of the year. 
20:48:16
KimNilsson
Especially in the Research part. And of course in the parts currently called Preparation and _Flipping the switch_. 
20:48:19
bdmc
KimNilsson: I thought that it was cast in stone!   B-)  Yes, I started reading it, but I forget where I put it! 
20:49:15
KimNilsson
I have taken some input from a few of you, but my wording may be incorrect, so feel free to adjust anything I have written so far - or clarify. 
20:49:35
bdmc
FD: I'm not sure whether he expects people to do things for him with not contributing anything. 
20:50:16
KimNilsson
The most important things is that the information ons "what is CAcert" and "what to expect when joining" needs to be available before forcing users to add an "unkonw" root certificate to their device. 
20:50:28
bdmc
I completely agree. 
20:51:04
KimNilsson
Both Drik and Jan has commented that it should probably be fairly easy to do. 
20:51:45
then there is a somewhat larger project of restructuring the "heavy stuff" from cacert.org to api.cacert.org - but that's not part of this project. 
20:52:06
Etienne
Maybe we move https://wiki.cacert.org/engagement with all translations also to one of this pages. 
20:52:23
KimNilsson
This is just supposesd to be - how to make it easier to welcome a new person who just heard about CAcert. 
20:52:31
Etienne: exactly 
20:52:50
As can be seen in my doc, wiki is actually accessible without https 
20:53:18
So if links don't start with https, they are open. 
20:53:53
But, yes, perhaps what Jan calls "static page serving" is perhaps easier to manage. 
20:56:21
KimNilsson
Etienne: I added the Engagement idea in the list. 
20:56:44
alright, I'm good - if nothing else, I'm absolutely ready to go do other things :-) 
20:56:51
bdmc
Well, we are coming up to the top of the hour. 
20:57:11
Does anybody have anything else, or are we done? 
20:57:29
egal
only a small thing ... (for this meeting) 
20:57:39
bdmc
egal:  go for it! 
20:57:47
egal
some meetings ago there was the decision about hardware renewal ... 
20:58:10
bdmc
And you have been proceeding with that. 
20:58:26
egal
jandd is currently planning a replacement server for infra02/03, which uses way less power ... 
20:58:43
bdmc
Oh, no.  We can't have that.   B-) 
20:58:47
egal
... the cost of this new server will then be around 3500 euros ... 
20:59:07
bdmc
Unfortunately, we don't have Michael here. 
20:59:34
egal
(cost not final up to now) ... but you/we should think about it maybe until the next boardmeeting ... 
21:00:28
bdmc
My reading of his report suggests that that would be half of the bank account. 
21:00:31
egal
(it's not urgent ... the question came up after migration of otrs ... shall we buy SSDs for the old machines or save this money and buy a new machine ... 
21:01:14
bdmc
However, as you say, this is probably a good thing, instead of spending the money on operations, spend it on capital expenses. 
21:01:37
Etienne
Are there any possibilities to get such a machine cheaper? Partnership? Sponsoring? 
21:01:48
bdmc
Capital expenses, are one and done. 
21:02:24
Etienne: good questions. 
21:02:55
egal
currently it's only "thinking about" ... no decision needed up to now as the planned configuration is not finalized ... 
21:03:26
bdmc
OK, thank you all.  Any more? 
21:03:39
Etienne
Example: Manufacturer X supplies us for free or at half price. At the same time, we tell our 350,000 members this and enclose a 10% voucher from the manufacturer. How many will buy their new device there? 
21:04:16
FD
Brent from Luxembourg can buy servers from Germany at distributor prices. But it all depends on the model of motherboard, chassis, and options that Jan and Dirk have in mind. 
21:05:18
egal
jan ... as it's infra, not critical ... ;-) 
21:06:28
FD
A bit off topic, what did we finally decide and do in September regarding the registrar of our domains? 
21:06:44
KimNilsson
Etienne & FD - good ideas - worth looking into when Jan has presented what hardware he suggests. 
21:07:06
egal
@fd .. good point ... that's missing on todays agenda ... ;-( 
21:07:39
cacert.com and cacert.net are at joker now, cacert.org is still at gkg as it was too late to change registrar ... 
21:08:13
during our wednesday meetings i asked, which data should be set up a domain owner, tech-C, admin-C, billing contact etc ... 
21:08:26
FD
That was the decision we made? 
21:08:26
Etienne
cacert.ch is at infomaniak 
21:08:39
KimNilsson
egal & FD - not really missing on the agenda, other than if we needed an item where Dirk says what he just did. 
21:09:02
FD: The decision was that Criticalö Team decides and does what is necessary. 
21:09:19
2.7 New registrar - Brian moves that CAcert's Critical Team be authorised to choose a new registrar for CAcert's purposes, at a time appropriate for their needs. Accepted. 
21:09:38
So, not a Board item anymore. 
21:09:40
FD
Ah? I understand. 
21:10:14
egal
the domain data (owner/...) should be decided by board ... but can be done afterwards ... 
21:10:26
KimNilsson
That's why it's not on the agenda for October and November. 
21:11:09
bdmc
egal: You just need to bring it to the Board when you need answers. 
21:11:20
KimNilsson
^^, 
21:11:27
Etienne
Dirk, make a suggestions that we can approve or change. Next meeting seems to be on Dec 1st, so sent it some days before to me. 
21:11:53
egal
@bdmc correct ... that's why i said it during our wednesday meetings ... but then forgot to send it to etienne ... 
21:12:40
bdmc
Etienne: Unless there is something critical, I want to reserve that meeting for the other topic. 
21:14:15
bdmc
Well, as I have said before, I am ready to finish this meeting.  Any objections? 
21:14:40
KimNilsson
bdmc: I'm thinking that's a supersimple vote. Dirk prsents the three (four) contact info needed for the registrar (do talk about it during the Wednesday meetings before then), and we vote Aye. 
21:15:19
bdmc
I agree, true.  Just not necessarily something that needs to be decided "yesterday." 
21:15:40
KimNilsson
Exactly, but it feels like a good thing the new board could/should decide. 
21:16:15
In the unlikely event it isn't us, perhaps they'd want other names for those contacts. 
21:16:49
bdmc
But this is an update to an existing record.  These records have existed for a few months already, one more shouldn't be critical. 
21:17:07
egal: What do you think? 
21:18:23
egal
currently it's on my names ... but it should have the current addresses (postal/email) so e.g. treasurer can then renew the domains ... 
21:18:57
bdmc
Which will take place in nine months or so. 
21:19:06
More than six. 
21:19:57
egal
(however: autorenew is set ... so if treasurer fails to renew it's on my invoice to avoid loosing the domain ... ;-) ) 
21:20:18
bdmc
Until the names are changed. 
21:21:32
bdmc
If the other members want to address this in December, I will concur. 
21:22:26
egal
as i said: could be done between the meetings ... and i don't think, that we need a formal motion ... ;-) 
21:23:21
KimNilsson
I don't either. The contact info should be what is best for the purpose of the contact, not necessarily what the board thinks. 
21:23:52
going back to Frederic's idead of "least resitance". 
21:23:55
idea 
21:23:59
omg 
21:24:13
bdmc
OK, I think that this is enough for today.  I hereby declare this meeting concluded.   See you all in a week or so. 
21:24:13
KimNilsson
and "resistance 
21:24:20
bye all 
21:24:36
bdmc
Good night gentlemen. 
21:25:25
Etienne
good night 
21:25:28
FD
Good night to all! Thank you Brian for leading our agenda. 
21:25:29
KimNilsson
o/ 
21:25:45
        o/ 
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21:25:51
egal
good night ... see you next week again during AGM ... ;-) 
21:25:54
Etienne
KimNilsson: can you send me the link of the minutes, please? 
21:26:12
FD
Goodnight Dirk. 
21:26:18
KimNilsson
(me walking away, while still at the keyboard)                     o/ 
21:26:19
:-) 
21:26:28
https://nextcloud.cacert.org/apps/files/?dir=/CAcert%20board/CAcert%20-%20Committee%20meetings&openf... 
21:26:34
Etienne
Thank you! 
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