bdmc
Greetings Etienne and Michael. 
20:58:27
Etienne
Hello Brian! 
20:58:31
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20:58:40
Etienne
Hello Kim! 
20:58:48
bdmc
I see that Dirk may or may not be here. 
20:58:48
Etienne
Hello Michael! 
20:59:00
bdmc
I don't see Kim yet. 
20:59:57
KimNilsson
yo yo yo 
21:00:05
Etienne
Michael is absent for the moment. 
21:00:06
bdmc
Now I do! 
21:00:20
Welcome all. 
21:00:36
Until we have more than three of us, I think that we should delay the start. 
21:01:59
Etienne
From a formal point of view, we are able to make a decision. 
21:03:28
egal
the decision to start? ;-) 
21:03:37
Etienne
@KimNilsson: Did the background check work? I was offline for three days. It didn't make sense to answer retroactively. 
21:03:40
bdmc
B-) 
21:04:14
I'll wait until XX:05 and then go. 
21:04:39
egal
time to make a "small" cup of tea ... ;-) 
21:04:52
Etienne
https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-10-06 
21:05:08
https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-09-01#Minutes 
21:05:29
KimNilsson
Etienne: no, since neither you nor Dirk were presesnt, we couldn't do it. Ted will reach out again to plan another session. 
21:06:00
bdmc
Well, the time has come, as the Walrus said..... 
21:06:14
I hereby call this meeting of the Board of CAcert to order. 
21:06:43
Etienne
Agend: first link; Minutes: second link (given at xx:05) 
21:06:52
bdmc
Thank you. 
21:07:16
Yes, I called it to order at XX:05, didn't I? 
21:07:43
OK, anything in either the Board or Board Private mailing lists that should be brought forard? 
21:07:46
KimNilsson
Live minutes (soon with some content). https://nextcloud.cacert.org/apps/files/?dir=/CAcert%20board/CAcert%20-%20Committee%20meetings&openf... 
21:08:59
bdmc
Nothing heard.   Would someone like to discuss anything in last month's minutes? 
21:09:18
Otherwise, I will ask for a motion to accept them. 
21:09:19
Etienne
I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 1st of September 2022. 
21:10:23
KimNilsson
Seconded 
21:10:27
Etienne
aye 
21:10:32
bdmc
Aye 
21:10:57
( I will record that Kim voted Aye, too. ) 
21:11:12
Etienne
Recorded at the motion system. 
21:11:24
bdmc
( I know, picky, but it is how I inherited the procedure. ) 
21:11:54
KimNilsson
Goodie 
21:12:05
Etienne
bdmc: you may skip quick decisions, as there are none. 
21:12:14
bdmc
As I suspected. 
21:12:51
I see that Items under 2.2 are also to be skipped. 
21:12:59
Etienne
:-( 
21:13:13
bdmc
Moving on. 
21:13:48
Item 2.3.1 -- New ERP  -- Any news? 
21:14:25
Item 2.3.2 -- Base contract. -- Etienne, any news? 
21:14:43
Etienne
I am in contact with the treasurer and the bank as well. The EUR IBAN is expectet for the next week. 
21:14:57
KimNilsson
2.3.1 ERP - Both Michael and FD absent, and they are the ones involved. 
21:14:58
bdmc
Item 2.3.3 -- EUR Account -- Etienne, News? 
21:15:30
Etienne
I am in contact with the bank as well. The EUR IBAN is expectet for the next week. 
21:15:48
bdmc
So you are answering both 2.3.2 and 2.3.3.  OK 
21:15:53
Etienne
:-) 
21:16:24
KimNilsson
lovel the efficiency 
21:16:33
Etienne
Michael had hoped to prepare the draft statements for the board to approve 
21:16:33
before the AGM.  That can't happen easily because I didn't bring the right 
21:16:33
credentials with my laptop, and the VNC access to what I need is too slow. 
21:16:33
I will get this finished on the weekend after I return to Ottawa. 
21:17:01
(I=he) 
21:17:14
bdmc
Item 2.4 -- I am still waiting for Jan.  He wanted to do some work on the infrastructure before I continued.  I will be working with him to expedite this matter. 
21:17:27
( Thank you, Etienne ) 
21:18:02
egal
do you know, which work on infra should be done? 
21:18:04
bdmc
Item 2.5 -- Shutdown of SecureU and transfer to CAcert -- Any news? 
21:18:27
egal: This is development side "stuff." 
21:18:46
Etienne
I got an e-mail from BIT that my c.o. e-mail address was added in their system as a contact. 
21:18:49
egal
okay ... i'll ping jandd for details ... ;-) 
21:18:57
Etienne
Thank you egal 
21:19:05
bdmc
egal: thank you, too. 
21:19:48
Item 2.5???? 
21:19:50
egal
regarding secure-u ... had way to much business and personal work in the last weeks, so i'm unaware of a new status ... ;( 
21:19:57
bdmc
OK 
21:20:27
Item 2.6 -- Overall Background Checks -- News? 
21:20:55
Etienne
Ted, Kim and me will do another try in october. 
21:21:05
KimNilsson
Mine didn't happen. I have no info about the rest. 
21:22:08
bdmc
It appears that two of them are waiting on a date, the other one is waiting for final results. 
21:22:42
KimNilsson
ok 
21:22:50
bdmc
Item 2.7 -- LCA -- Etienne, do you know the date of this event on the other side of the world? 
21:24:06
KimNilsson
LCA != Lutheran Church of Australia, I'm assuming... 
21:24:19
bdmc
Not exactly.   B-) 
21:24:40
KimNilsson
Nor "Life Cycle Assessment and Urban Sustainability ICLCAUS" 
21:25:04
bdmc
That sounds like an interesting thing. 
21:25:07
Etienne
I am sorry, the date was not announced yet. 
21:25:13
bdmc
Thanks. 
21:25:21
Etienne
https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-members/2022-09/msg00000.html 
21:26:01
bdmc
Item 2.8 -- Remote Assurance -- I have not yet heard anything more.  Do you know more, egal? 
21:27:22
egal
currently not ... ;-( 
21:27:47
bdmc
Good enough.  We will wait another month to report. 
21:27:48
Etienne
It would be great if you two could start this with Eva mis by 3 November. Then we would have good news at the last session of the legislature and a great announcement on 12 November (AGM). 
21:27:55
egal
(maybe you ping her early next week again ... ;-) ) 
21:28:07
bdmc
Will do.  Not sooner? 
21:28:56
Item 2.9 -- AGM 
21:29:06
Etienne, anything that you want us to know? 
21:29:21
Etienne
https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/Next 
21:29:58
All you have to know i on the bottom o f the page: members get iinfo, teams got two infos for team reports. 
21:30:00
bdmc
or discuss. 
21:30:24
Oh, you want us to actually read, do you? 
21:30:34
Etienne
we too have to write our reports. 
21:30:48
bdmc
Yes, I plan to be ready sometime before the meeting is over.   B-) 
21:31:10
Etienne
No, no need to read the page, just to be ready ;-) 
21:32:08
But if we are to fast to finish this meeting, we could have a look to our goals 21/22. 
21:32:24
bdmc
Well, that seems to finish the the Business section of the meeting. 
21:32:46
We could skip on down to that section, or ask for Questions. 
21:33:12
I have never heard of that group, Etienne.  Yes, I saw your message, but got distracted by work. 
21:33:40
egal
regarding AGM ... when will the info be sent to member regarding payment/... ? 
21:34:28
Etienne
egal: in the next days. 
21:35:07
bdmc: codetriage: Recently, Mr Schneemann wrote to me. He has a site codetriage.org where volunteers are enrolled and every week they get a mini task emailed to them from open source projects to help out a little. 
21:35:17
egal
okay ... don't forget to give members time for ordinary/special resultions/nominations 
21:35:59
KimNilsson
CodeTriage sounds like a cool idea, for code that can be published. Maybe snippets, if core bits can't be public. 
21:36:10
bdmc
Etienne:  Hmmm.  Interesting.  That is certainly something that Ted, Jandd and Egal will be interested in, as well, perhaps, as others. 
21:37:23
bdmc
KimNilsson: Also a good point.  There are certainly sections of our code that are probably "trade secrets!" 
21:38:43
egal
our code is public (except passwords/keys/... ;-) ) 
21:39:13
bdmc
B-)   I know.  Public and ancient. 
21:39:28
egal
so nothing to hide ... but ... we need more persons checking if the work we do/did is done correctly ... ;-) 
21:39:47
bdmc
Yes, we were talking yesterday, and volunteered Kim to do that. 
21:39:49
egal
(yep ... i'm talking about reviews/software-assessment ... not coding itself) 
21:40:40
bdmc
I wonder whether CodeTriage.org's people would be up to that.  It certainly seems like something that they could do. 
21:41:02
However, would the BGC get in the way of that? 
21:42:14
KimNilsson
I always said I can help test things. I can't read/understand complex code, but when testing I can at least verify if code is doing the things you say it should. 
21:42:43
Etienne
Sorry, it is not .org, it is codetriage.com 
21:43:15
KimNilsson
Perhaps that depends on which code it is? Asking as I don't know, but perhaps super-critical code still _also_ needs to be reviewed by a BGC'd person? 
21:43:30
bdmc
KimNilsson: That and some of Dirk's software assessments such as comparing two certificate fingerprints would be easy for you to do. 
21:43:30
KimNilsson
Etienne: yup, saw when I googled the address. 
21:43:38
exactly 
21:45:11
bdmc
OK, let's look at Etienne's ( and ours ) list of "Things to Remember."   Section 3.4. 
21:45:37
Too bad that some of our missing members aren't here, particularly Frederic. 
21:45:59
Etienne
push OrgA: My task for 22/23 to push Guy to push it ;-) 
21:46:06
bdmc
B-) 
21:46:26
egal
as i said before at some time: everybody could do a review of changes ... but i (as software teamlead or critical teamlead) can ask for a more qualified one for more complex code changes ... ;-) 
21:46:36
Etienne
expand PR: I help Alex until we find a new or a second PR officer 
21:46:45
KimNilsson
egal: spot on 
21:46:53
Etienne
support secureU: obsolete 
21:46:57
bdmc
The next two items are mostly done. 
21:47:20
Certificate Creation is a development project, isn't it? 
21:48:04
It would appear to be too big for a "mini task" for CodeTriage, but it might be worth examining. 
21:48:09
Etienne
probably. The idea: easy click click as before in the browser. 
21:48:31
As easy as your grandma can do it in 4 minutes. 
21:48:35
bdmc
Needs some a Technical Design before the Developers start coding. 
21:48:45
Etienne
excactly 
21:49:06
bdmc
Sure, we can wave our hands and say "here is what will happen," but that is not enough. 
21:50:05
Can we ask Ted if any of us could help, or is he too busy with other things? 
21:50:46
Etienne
I will write a non-technical concept that technicians can transform in a technical one 
21:51:10
bdmc
That would be a good start, thank you. 
21:51:21
Etienne
remote assurance: probably one of the big things in 22/23. 
21:51:36
KimNilsson
bdmc: I'm fairly sure Jan also had some ideas on certificate creation. 
21:51:48
bdmc
egal: can you say anything about the replacement CSR software? 
21:52:02
egal
nope ... only regarding ocsp ... ;-) 
21:52:09
bdmc
KimNilsson: I would be surprised if he didn't. 
21:52:28
egal: thanks. 
21:52:45
KimNilsson
bdmc: hehe, he even has a test version available according to the bug 
21:53:03
https://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1417#c6131 
21:53:22
bdmc
Etienne: I agree -- however, I see that tied to the "easy certificate creation" project. 
21:53:56
KimNilsson
Agree, hard to get people assured if they can't get a cert 
21:54:03
bdmc
( Group: I suspect that we could tie this up in around an hour. ) 
21:54:49
Etienne
Kim: thank you for the link. There I see another goal: PHP7. 
21:55:20
bdmc
Or perhaps PHP 8. 
21:55:26
Now. 
21:55:29
egal
php7 requires a lot of code changes, which need to be reviewed ... ;-( 
21:55:52
(and we didn't even get the mysqli-changes reviewed ... ;-( 
21:55:52
bdmc
Some versions of PHP 7 are relatively easy, but as we advance.... 
21:55:59
Etienne
bdmc: I'll take a look at it and then ask my grandmother. 
21:56:08
bdmc
B-) 
21:56:55
( I was talking about this meeting, not the project. ) 
21:57:30
egal
finished with this part? ... may i give some news from critical team? ;-) 
21:57:41
bdmc
Absolutely. 
21:58:11
KimNilsson
(I'm just going to insert this, so I don't forget.) A regular discussion during our Wednesday meetings have been to make cacert.com/net easier to access (meaning not require a CAcert root installed pre-visiting). It has been viewed by all involved as a good idea. Keeping cacert.org the only host requiring cacert root. 
21:58:47
Etienne
+1 
21:59:14
bdmc
egal: After your news, do you want a motion to do that, or is it a larger project, or .... 
21:59:45
egal
if cacert.com/net should be used somehow static, it can be done on an existing container ... just ping jandd ... 
22:00:25
bdmc
I guess that we should discuss what it is that we want those web sites to show. 
22:00:39
egal
if there should be some dynamic content cacert.com/net, we need an additional lxc-container (and obviously the decision regarding the software) 
22:00:59
... but then ping jandd, too ... ;-) 
22:00:59
KimNilsson
com/net having general content, public marketing, stuff you want to know _before_ becoming a member and signing up - with org having member specific content 
22:01:35
bdmc
Which sounds like a static page or two. 
22:02:28
KimNilsson: Would you like to be responsible for drafting that content?  Perhaps show it to us next month? 
22:03:36
KimNilsson
bdmc: Alright, taking that on. 
22:04:36
Noted in the minuts. 
22:04:40
bdmc
Etienne: Please add that to next month's Agenda. 
22:05:01
Etienne
yes 
22:05:08
bdmc
egal: We are still eagerly waiting for Critical Team's news. 
22:05:50
egal
okay ... we had some issues about expired certificates yesterday on OCSP-server ... ;-( 
22:06:17
bdmc
But only one of the three, correct? 
22:06:37
egal
... therefore i moved ocsp.cacert.org to new ocsp-server for ipv4 yesterday during the day ... 
22:07:04
within in the next days ipv6 will follow .. 
22:07:40
... as this is the last active service running on sun3, i could power of sun3 in some days ... 
22:07:55
(if no issues come up during the next days ... ;-) ) 
22:08:05
bdmc
And save a LOT on our power bill.  B-) 
22:09:04
egal
yep ... during the next visit (either planned in 2 weeks or in 5 weeks) i could then remove the machine (as well as the old switch) from the rack 
22:09:54
bdmc
Well, unless anybody else has something to bring to us, any more questions, I think that we could finish this meeting. 
22:10:19
egal
nothing more from my site ... ;-) 
22:10:21
Etienne
Agree on date of the next Committee Meeting: 3. Nov. 2022  18:00 UTC 
22:10:37
do not forget 12 nov 2022 AGM 
22:10:50
following meeting dates: maybe 1. Dez. 2022, maybe 5. Jan., maybe 2. Feb. 2023 
22:11:12
bdmc
Yes, we have one more meeting before the AGM. 
22:11:22
egal
november 12 ? didn't we agree on november 5? 
22:11:45
KimNilsson
nope 12th 
22:11:48
Etienne
I hope we can then close some chapters (as IBAN) and open some new ones (as remote assurance) 
22:12:12
https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/Next 
22:12:13
egal
(okay ... have adjust my memory to 12th ... ;-) ) 
22:12:27
Etienne
20:00 UTC 
22:12:35
KimNilsson
yes, late meeting 
22:12:37
Etienne
(normal time) 
22:13:03
KimNilsson
but, it's after DST ends, so sameas this really? 
22:13:28
even if our bodies may not agree 
22:13:29
egal
don't forget the daylight-saving-change at end of october ... and the adjustments regarding UTC in europe ... 
22:13:38
... and maybe other parts of the world ... ;-) 
22:13:39
Etienne
Kim: 20 UTC normal time is as today 19 UTC DST 
22:14:00
KimNilsson
Etienne: yeah, what I thought 
22:14:00
Etienne
21 central european (summer/normal) time 
22:14:22
KimNilsson
egal: they still haven't finalised when they are going to sop messing with the time, are they? 
22:14:27
stop 
22:14:35
egal
19 UTC = 21:00 in summer and 20:00 in winter 
22:16:01
KimNilsson
bdmc: I clocked the end as 20:15 UTC in the minutes -good, right? 
22:16:25
As we talked right over your actual call for the end a while ago :-) 
22:18:00
bdmc
Well, if that is done, I will call this meeting finished and closed.  See you all next month. 
22:18:28
KimNilsson: Yes, I was saying that we were near to the end, not that we were at the end. 
22:18:35
Yes, your time is good. 
22:18:36
egal
or during wednesday calls ... ;-) 
22:18:51
bdmc
egal: Always ( almost ) those. 
22:19:34
Etienne
Thank you and good bye. egal:jitsi 
22:19:53
KimNilsson
great, bye 
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