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   3 Welcome to CAcert, Etienne_! Here on CAcert, we provide services to enable the registration of nicknames and channels! For details, type /msg NickServ help and /msg ChanServ help. 
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   7 Etienne_
   8 Hello to our board meeting! 
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  12 Etienne_
  13 Hello Peter 
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  15 pnunn
  16 Morning all. 
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  18 sat
  19 Good morning and good evening everyone. 
  20 21:02:37
  21 egal
  22 salue 
  23 21:05:15
  24 pnunn
  25 How are we all.. Just trying to get a fire to light. Last time we spoke it was 37 here, now its 10... sigh. 
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  27 Etienne_
  28 Oh, the sun that disapeard 4 hours ago didn't arrive to Australia until now? 
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  30 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-11-07 
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  32 As we have a quorum and it's time, we could start with the Preliminaries  until the president will speak to us. 
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  34 Are there any questions or comments to the (finally!) minutes of 5. Sept. 2019? https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-09-05#Minutes 
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  38 pnunn_
  39 Sorry, still having issues with this wifi... the minutes look good Etienne. 
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  41 Etienne_
  42 Are there any questions or comments to the minutes of 31. Oct. 2019? https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-10-31#Minutes 
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  44 Thank you pnunn_ 
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  48 pnunn_
  49 They too look good. 
  50 21:12:57
  51 @Etienne, just a quick question. I'm not able to log into the voting system incase your wondering why there havn't been any responces from me on there. 
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  53 Actually.. comment, not question. 
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  55 Etienne_
  56 pnunn_: When you vote here during the meeting, the secretary will put your vote as a proxy vote into the voting system. 
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  58 pnunn_
  59 cool. 
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  61 Etienne_
  62 OK, I think we vote now: I motion to accept the minutes of 5. Septe 2019. 
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  64 pnunn_
  65 seconded 
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  67 and aye 
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  69 Etienne_
  70 aye 
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  72 Etienne_
  73 I motion to accept the minues of 31 October 2019. 
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  75 pnunn_
  76 seconded and aye. 
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  78 Etienne_
  79 aye 
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  81 Thank you! 
  82 21:19:08
  83 Chair asks whether cacert-board-private or cacert-board maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members. 
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  85 pnunn_
  86 Nothing I'm aware of. 
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  88 Etienne_
  89 Me neither. 
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  91 Etienne_
  92 OK, let's move to Business. 
  93 21:22:12
  94 AGM 2019: Thank you for the team reports from critical team (Wytze) and infra (JanDD)! 
  95 21:22:52
  96 Until now, there are no nominations for the board 2019/20. 
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  98 pnunn_
  99 Do we want to do some now Etienne_? 
 100 21:23:23
 101 Etienne_
 102 But at least the public officer will stay with CAcert Inc. 
 103 21:23:36
 104 pnunn_
 105 Oh.. that's a good outcome. well done. 
 106 21:23:40
 107 Etienne_
 108 We can, if you want. 
 109 21:23:56
 110 pnunn_
 111 Can I nominate yourself and Brian to retain your current positions. 
 112 21:24:25
 113 Also the treasurer. 
 114 21:24:53
 115 Etienne_
 116 Probabely not for the positions, but for the committee, yes. As the secretary is also in tis meeting, he will register this nominations. 
 117 21:25:10
 118 pnunn_
 119 Excelent. 
 120 21:25:45
 121 I'm happy to put my hand up for the committee again as well. 
 122 21:26:21
 123 Etienne_
 124 and I am happy to nomnate Peter N 
 125 21:26:32
 126 pnunn_
 127 Thank you. 
 128 21:27:39
 129 Etienne_
 130 Well, that is a good start. We will se for the rest and also look how to integrate the people that showed some interest in september. 
 131 21:27:54
 132 pnunn_
 133 Good stuff. 
 134 21:28:06
 135 Etienne_
 136 2.2. Operations 1. Critical team 
 137 21:28:22
 138 egal, can you give as a short overview, please? 
 139 21:30:50
 140 Etienne_
 141 egal should be here, I met him just while arriving to the meeting in the warderobe. 
 142 21:31:42
 143 He was present on the handover on 1st of November, if I remember well. 
 144 21:32:25
 145 pnunn_
 146 We seem to have a few missing in action. 
 147 21:33:44
 148 Etienne_
 149 16 minutes ago, egal told me, that he was very pleased about the excellent documentation, written by Wytze. 
 150 21:35:10
 151 Etienne_
 152 Well, pnunn_ what do you think about the thankk you motion? As you are a native speaker, what should be improoved? 
 153 21:36:38
 154 Etienne_
 155 Shoould I post the draft here? 
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 159 egal
 160 sorry ... was afk for some minutes ... 
 161 21:40:47
 162 last friday norbert and i visited BIT and got a knowledge-transfer from wytze ... 
 163 21:41:32
 164 mendel and mark overmeer (secure-u) were onsite for some time while norbert, wytze and i was there full time (around 6 hours) 
 165 21:42:34
 166 egal
 167 i got both password-lists from wytze and mendel (as norbert does not yet have an ABC) 
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 169 on the way back we talked about the hardware/... and i'll contact norbert over the weekend again ... 
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 173 egal
 174 currently i'm checking all needed access rights (before i revoke access rights for wytze, mendel etc.) 
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 176 pnunn
 177 Sorry guys. On a fixed network now.. grrr.. 
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 179 Etienne_
 180 Welcome back pnunn, thank you very much egal for this inside report. 
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 182 pnunn
 183 To the question you asked before I vanished again... Slight change to the wording would be... 
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 185 Etienne_
 186 pnunn, please do it 
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 188 pnunn
 189 Its is with great regret that the committee....    have left the critical ...  (Martin for ther ir valuable... 
 190 21:48:42
 191 Its is with great regret that the committee....    have left the critical ...  (Martin for their valuable... 
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 193 sorry. 
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 195 Does that make sense? 
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 197 Etienne_
 198 This way? Motion: It is with great regret that the committee has to announce that Mendel (since June 2008), Wytze (since October 2008) and Martin (since November 2012) have left the critical system administrator team as of November 1, 2019 after eleven, resp. seven years loyal service. The committee wants to say a big THANK YOU to Mendel, Wytze and Martin for their valuable contributions to the work of the critical system administrator team during the past years! 
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 200 pnunn
 201 Yep. 
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 203 Seconded and aye. 
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 205 Etienne_
 206 aye 
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 208 Etienne_
 209 2. Arbitration 
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 211 I hope, support may help this month Andreas B to start his job. 
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 213 pnunn
 214 OK. 
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 216 Etienne_
 217 I had just a look, what we could do on this meeting, if Ted and some others are not here. 
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 219 2.3.4. Invoice 2018-01: For legal reasons, after the motion has passed, the treasurer has to transfer this amount to secure-U. The money, secure-U became on behalf of CAcert can be used to lower the following ivoices, but not to pay invoices allready sent. (information transfered by secure-U from their Finanzamt) 
 220 22:01:55
 221 I Motion: The treasurer shall pay the invoice 2018-01, 1107.65 EUR to secureU. 
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 223 pnunn
 224 OK. Strange, but if that is the way it is.. so be it I guess. 
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 226 Seconded. 
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 228 Etienne_
 229 aye 
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 231 pnunn
 232 and aye. 
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 234 Etienne_
 235 pnunn, I am here just 50 km south of Germany, and sometimes I thinkk the same (they probabely about us). 
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 237 egal
 238 in germany an invoice has to be paid ... otherwise the tax office/finanzamt will ask, where the money is ... 
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 240 pnunn
 241 Oh I see.. so once its raised.. it has to be dealt with via a payment. Fair enough. 
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 243 egal
 244 we (at secure-u site) even have to explain, why invoiced are paid in another financial year than we sent it ... 
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 246 Etienne_
 247 In Switzerland, an invoice can also be cleared or written off. But secureU is in Germany. 
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 249 pnunn
 250 Oh my goodness.. If I had to do that here I'd be buried in paperwork :) 
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 252 I think the same here Etienne, as long as its accounted for its OK. 
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 254 egal
 255 and ... secure-u is not a company, but a "verein" (=association) ... the rules are more strict there ... 
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 257 pnunn
 258 interesting egal, here its probably the other way around. 
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 260 egal
 261 btw: a lot of people complain about the hugh amount of paperwork to be done here in germany ... ;-) 
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 263 pnunn
 264 I'm president of a brass band, we get away with murder compared to my company. 
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 266 I guess it keeps people in jobs egal lol. 
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 268 Etienne_
 269 The paperwork is one reasons, why the relocation project points a little bit more southern than Germany. 
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 271 egal
 272 it's the "gemeinnuetzer verein" (somehow charity/non-profit) thing ... 
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 274 pnunn
 275 I see. 
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 277 Etienne_
 278 egal, we are very happy with everything secure-U does for us. 
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 280 Even we do not understand sometimes all the issues you have. 
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 282 Etienne_
 283 egal, if you see in one of the next days someone from support, could you please ask them to consider to help Andreas B to start his job? 
 284 22:11:21
 285 egal
 286 @etienne: i'll tell my GF, too ... so if she sees somebody from support ... ;-) 
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 288 Etienne_
 289 thank you egal, that is very nive from both of you. 
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 291 pnunn, do you see anything else we can do in the current composition at this meeting? 
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 293 pnunn
 294 I was just looking at that Etienne_ and I don't think so unfortunately. 
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 296 Etienne_
 297 egal, Is it true that the solution of the PHP problem is already on the test server for review? 
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 299 egal
 300 you should ping Ted about it ... 
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 302 Etienne_
 303 On my way home on the bus today, I was wondering whether there might not be a way to issue the certificate with an addon for Firefox and Chrome. Who should be asked? 
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 305 egal
 306 ... in the last months i may have missed some details of bugs/patches ... 
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 308 Etienne_
 309 There was so much work in the last 2-3 months.... but also a lot of success! 
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 311 Etienne_
 312 3. Question Time 
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 314 pnunn
 315 Yes indeed you have been very busy Etienne_ and a great outcome. 
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 317 No questions from here. 
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 319 egal
 320 currently no questions from my site ... 
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 322 Etienne_
 323 JanDD, bdmc and FD did also a lot. Furthermore I should mention treasurer for akk the thenk you letters after receiving donations. egals journey to the Netherlands any some others more. 
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 325 pnunn
 326 Yes, a fantastic effort all round. 
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 328 Etienne_
 329 And do not forget the vice president! 
 330 22:23:09
 331 pnunn, what about the next meeting: in 2 weeks on 21.11.2019 and then 10 days later the AGM? Or would you prefer a meeting earlier? 
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 333 pnunn
 334 hah.. who did the least of everybody I'm afraid. Just wasn't around sorry. 
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 336 I don't mind Etienne_ I think 2 weeks is probably OK, but if you feel more needs to be done earlier, I don't mind either. 
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 338 Etienne_
 339 OK, Thu 21.11.2019 meeting and Sat 30.11.2019 AGM. 
 340 22:25:41
 341 pnunn
 342 Done. 
 343 22:26:02
 344 egal
 345 don't forget to send out the reminders ... ;-) 
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 347 i don't have a clue if i payed for this/last financial year ... 
 348 22:26:36
 349 (and ... please use english ... so it's understandable ... ;-) ) 
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 351 Etienne_
 352 Don't worry, egal. The treasurer started allready - in english ;-) 
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 354 pnunn
 355 Well.. have a good evening gents. I guess I'm out of excuses to get to the gym now.. groan. 
 356 22:27:27
 357 Etienne_
 358 Other reminders will be sent in about an hour, after I brought my little boy to the loo. 
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 360 Have a nice day pnuun, and thank you for joining today! 
 361 22:28:08
 362 pnunn
 363 Your welcome.. nice to chat as always. 
 364 22:28:48
 365 Etienne_
 366 So, the official part is over. 
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