[2015-12-18 21:00:46] Welcome greetings to the audience [2015-12-18 21:01:38] I hereby open todays board meeting [2015-12-18 21:02:17] 1.2. accept minutes [2015-12-18 21:02:19] good evening [2015-12-18 21:02:34] hello [2015-12-18 21:02:40] Good Evening! [2015-12-18 21:02:42] hi [2015-12-18 21:02:43] who is present? [2015-12-18 21:02:58] 5 board members present [2015-12-18 21:03:00] =-= INOPIAE hat das Thema geändert auf ''Board Meeting 2015-12-18 20:00 UTC| the channel is moderated for voice to board member only | https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2015-12-18'' [2015-12-18 21:03:06] =-= Modus #board-meeting +m von INOPIAE [2015-12-18 21:03:21] we have a quorum [2015-12-18 21:03:42] let's start with 1.2 accept minutes [2015-12-18 21:03:48] any remarks? [2015-12-18 21:04:16] just give me a few second sto review the last changes [2015-12-18 21:04:30] okay [2015-12-18 21:05:04] ready? [2015-12-18 21:05:11] yes from my side [2015-12-18 21:05:18] MOTION: Accept minutes from last board meeting [2015-12-18 21:05:23] aye [2015-12-18 21:05:25] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:05:27] abs [2015-12-18 21:05:30] aye [2015-12-18 21:05:37] abstain [2015-12-18 21:05:47] aye [2015-12-18 21:05:56] 4 aye [2015-12-18 21:06:00] 1 abstain [2015-12-18 21:06:11] motion carried [2015-12-18 21:06:33] 1.3. Who is taking minutes? [2015-12-18 21:06:48] I would do the minutes. [2015-12-18 21:07:05] thank you [2015-12-18 21:07:09] felix is minute taker [2015-12-18 21:07:14] next topic [2015-12-18 21:07:15] 1.4 Chair asks whether cacert-board-private maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members. [2015-12-18 21:07:55] There are some items but they are not yet ready for disclosure. [2015-12-18 21:08:16] anything else? [2015-12-18 21:08:47] not from my side [2015-12-18 21:08:53] 1.5 Chair asks whether cacert-board maillist includes any business items that aren't on the agenda yet. [2015-12-18 21:10:11] The items on the public mailing list are related to the ones not to disclose on the board private mailing list [2015-12-18 21:10:33] anything else? [2015-12-18 21:11:10] no [2015-12-18 21:11:17] 1.6 Chair introduces the URL of action items to the meeting, and asks for discussion. [2015-12-18 21:11:36] https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/ActionItems [2015-12-18 21:12:01] last entry was made on 2014-04-13 [2015-12-18 21:12:22] So far we did not have time to review and to renew the action items. [2015-12-18 21:12:28] OK [2015-12-18 21:12:33] thank you [2015-12-18 21:13:21] Let's continue [2015-12-18 21:13:30] 2. Businesses [2015-12-18 21:13:55] 2.1 OFT [2015-12-18 21:14:18] 2.1.1 Financial Report [2015-12-18 21:14:23] status please [2015-12-18 21:15:07] ready to deliver [2015-12-18 21:15:12] OK [2015-12-18 21:15:40] MOTION: Deliver finance report to OFT [2015-12-18 21:15:50] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:15:54] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:15:54] aye [2015-12-18 21:15:58] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:16:07] aye [2015-12-18 21:16:13] 5 aye [2015-12-18 21:16:17] motion carried [2015-12-18 21:16:42] 2.1.2 Handover report [2015-12-18 21:17:23] I send out an email to all members of old board and gave several information about the handover preocedure [2015-12-18 21:17:35] every member got his personal email [2015-12-18 21:17:46] so let's see the status for each member [2015-12-18 21:17:52] president: [2015-12-18 21:18:23] I had a phone conversation with Dirk. He should give his statements by signed email. [2015-12-18 21:18:46] I received an email and he denied the handover of the key person lists. [2015-12-18 21:19:06] Reasons: he recieved that list not in his role as president of CAcert Inc. [2015-12-18 21:19:17] I will copy now the mail content here in: [2015-12-18 21:20:14] Email was sent to board public and members mailinglists [2015-12-18 21:20:17] Dirk wrote: [2015-12-18 21:20:23] The keypersons list was handed over to me not as a president. There was a board-motion m20150729.1 to hand it over to Guillaume or Juergen, which was declined. [2015-12-18 21:20:47] About the handover/distribution of the keypersons list I asked in End of July/beginning of August if arbitration can define a process here by using trusted channels or end-to-end encryption. Unfortunately nobody found it necessary to set up an arbitration case. [2015-12-18 21:21:08] Furthermore this list may contain personal data from persons, who are not members of CAcert Inc but of the CAcert community. Therefore this list cannot be part of the documents, which have to be handed over from the previous president to the current one by law. [2015-12-18 21:21:24] This means: [2015-12-18 21:21:44] In my eyes the statement about the handover of CAcert Inc. related documents from president to president is not a false statement. Kind regards, Dirk Astrath [2015-12-18 21:22:16] The email was signed with gpg key [2015-12-18 21:22:21] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlZlaBwACgkQVuf/iihAxwh2jwCg+PuFCzmLe4Q74Ahc1lXlPAt8 yswAnj7JcNul88Ok7tMAV3xZJNQHuDPm =1FiK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [2015-12-18 21:22:31] any comments from your side? [2015-12-18 21:22:46] file a dispute please [2015-12-18 21:22:53] secand [2015-12-18 21:22:57] second [2015-12-18 21:23:10] second [2015-12-18 21:23:23] thank you [2015-12-18 21:23:40] 3 seconds is a quorum [2015-12-18 21:23:51] vice president, status please [2015-12-18 21:24:12] *smiles* [2015-12-18 21:24:16] OK [2015-12-18 21:24:26] that is for logging purposes only [2015-12-18 21:24:34] well i did handover to myself as i continue at board [2015-12-18 21:24:51] secretary, tatus please [2015-12-18 21:25:00] Etienne send me not a digital signed mail but one with a CARS statement. So I can accept this one according to the requirements. [2015-12-18 21:25:09] OK [2015-12-18 21:25:34] treasurer, status please [2015-12-18 21:25:40] treasurer handover happend in a skype session and with encrypted data transfer [2015-12-18 21:25:41] MT is cooperative at questions, i think he gave me all what he had. [2015-12-18 21:25:41] i received no written statement [2015-12-18 21:26:54] i need further time to handover all procedures [2015-12-18 21:27:02] OK, handover running [2015-12-18 21:27:56] next item [2015-12-18 21:28:01] 2.2 approve incident i20151205.1 "Data Privacy breach" report and actions [2015-12-18 21:28:38] any comments? [2015-12-18 21:29:03] MOTION: approve incident i20151205.1 "Data Privacy breach" report and actions [2015-12-18 21:29:07] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:29:10] aye [2015-12-18 21:29:12] aye [2015-12-18 21:29:40] aye [2015-12-18 21:29:41] aye [2015-12-18 21:29:45] 5 aye [2015-12-18 21:29:48] motion carried [2015-12-18 21:30:28] next item [2015-12-18 21:30:29] 2.3 Data Privacy Test for all relevant areas in 30 days [2015-12-18 21:30:58] MOTION: Introduce a set of Data Privacy Tests in the CATS-system that is to be taken and passed by all members of all affected areas. These tests must be passed by all affected members within 30 days from availability or after appointment to their role and repeated once every 12 months. Failure to do so could lead to sanctions. affected areas: Critical team, Support, Arbitration, Software Assessor, Infrastructure Admins [2015-12-18 21:31:17] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:31:19] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:31:33] aye [2015-12-18 21:31:33] aye [2015-12-18 21:31:35] aye [2015-12-18 21:31:40] 5 aye [2015-12-18 21:31:43] motion carried [2015-12-18 21:31:50] next item [2015-12-18 21:31:54] 2.4. Ask Audit for review on temporary support solution [2015-12-18 21:32:39] Board started to have doubts on the efficency and success of this ruling due to public complaints and opinions of support team members. [2015-12-18 21:32:51] a20141024.1 [2015-12-18 21:32:56] ruling II [2015-12-18 21:33:02] any comments? [2015-12-18 21:33:37] MOTION: Ask the internal Auditor to review the efficency and success of the arbitration ruling a20141024.1 from the moment the Follow Up Ruling II was given on 2015-09-07 [2015-12-18 21:33:41] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:33:41] second & aye [2015-12-18 21:33:43] aye [2015-12-18 21:33:44] aye [2015-12-18 21:33:46] aye [2015-12-18 21:33:49] 5 aye [2015-12-18 21:33:53] motion carried [2015-12-18 21:34:23] next item [2015-12-18 21:34:30] 3. Question time [2015-12-18 21:34:44] please open the channel for our auditorium [2015-12-18 21:34:48] =-= Modus #board-meeting -m von INOPIAE [2015-12-18 21:35:00] questions please? [2015-12-18 21:35:08] for a review over a ruling is an appeal required [2015-12-18 21:35:13] also that case was reviewed [2015-12-18 21:35:22] and the ruling was done on the request of board [2015-12-18 21:35:38] and board could just ask something else [2015-12-18 21:35:44] if they do not see it working [2015-12-18 21:36:05] why are you not doing this? [2015-12-18 21:36:15] and why are you trying to get the auditor into breach with the DRP? [2015-12-18 21:37:42] -->| WolfgangKasulke (chatzilla@x4d0a401d.dyn.telefonica.de) hat #board-meeting betreten [2015-12-18 21:38:14] also why do you think it is not relevant to inform members about possible questions or issues regarding the AGM? [2015-12-18 21:38:28] katazi: 'why are you not doing this?' what exactly do you mean by 'this'? file a dispute for appeal? [2015-12-18 21:38:48] no ask for a change of that ruling [2015-12-18 21:38:49] READ it [2015-12-18 21:39:12] by 'this' you mean 'reading the ruling'? [2015-12-18 21:39:17] you will see that board is asked to address the arbitrator if an issue arises because of the ruling [2015-12-18 21:39:21] yes [2015-12-18 21:39:56] I do not comment the decision of the former board. But board got a lot of possible options presented by me for a long time [2015-12-18 21:39:56] this theme clarified so far. [2015-12-18 21:39:59] you will get the answer during the next board meeting. [2015-12-18 21:40:06] clarified? [2015-12-18 21:40:10] felix just asked a quesiton [2015-12-18 21:40:19] you gave an answer [2015-12-18 21:40:24] not finished [2015-12-18 21:40:32] of course not [2015-12-18 21:40:43] you will get the answer during the next board meeting. [2015-12-18 21:40:57] i think felix is allowed to get the full answer [2015-12-18 21:41:03] he is a subcommittee member [2015-12-18 21:42:04] again: there was a bunch of options presented to board to chose from. Board chose that one. I would not have advised it but it is up to board to do the selection of the team members (if possible - DRP allows this as well) [2015-12-18 21:42:13] so it was boards choice [2015-12-18 21:42:42] the ruling you want to review asks anybody involved to address the arbitrator when an issue arises so that there could be changes applied [2015-12-18 21:43:09] if board thinks that their solution was not working, they should just ask for another solutoin [2015-12-18 21:43:16] or any other update [2015-12-18 21:44:24] that is all part of the ruling that I did. If you need more information about the options that I have presented to board - as well as to support - since shortly after Werner was ordered to get a re-training, you can look up board-mails or the case-file or ask me. [2015-12-18 21:44:29] as the Arbitrator of that case [2015-12-18 21:44:34] now I am finished [2015-12-18 21:44:53] OK [2015-12-18 21:44:55] you will get the answer during the next board meeting. [2015-12-18 21:45:16] why not now? [2015-12-18 21:45:45] Let us study the ruling and actions in deep research. [2015-12-18 21:46:03] 2. question from you: why do you think it is not relevant to inform members about possible questions or issues regarding the AGM? [2015-12-18 21:46:10] -->| Robert (robert@pa49-197-150-107.pa.qld.optusnet.com.au) hat #board-meeting betreten [2015-12-18 21:46:17] if you did not study it why did you order a review? [2015-12-18 21:46:39] =-= Modus #board-meeting +o Robert von INOPIAE Times are in UTC +1 [2015-12-18 21:47:05] you will get the answer during the next board meeting. [2015-12-18 21:47:13] Welcome Robert [2015-12-18 21:47:50] where is the motion to seal the motions from last board meeting? [2015-12-18 21:48:55] no comment. we respect privacy and personal rights. [2015-12-18 21:49:41] according to CAcert Inc. Statutes 23B 2. there is one required - if motions could be sealed at all, I would interpret the wording form 23B 1. that they cannot be sealed, as 2. only speaks about deliberations and documents and such while 1. states that all business has to be public [2015-12-18 21:50:26] -->| alex (alex@82.139.196.202) hat #board-meeting betreten [2015-12-18 21:50:27] if those motions are about removing people from posts as you have hinted at, others have to know that those people are suspende [2015-12-18 21:51:06] for example a critical team member has to check if an SA is allowed to hand in bugs, just as an example [2015-12-18 21:52:00] also I am asking for the missing motion for the seal not the reason for the seal [2015-12-18 21:52:01] you gave a hint to read our statutes rule 23 B [2015-12-18 21:52:09] rule 23 B (2) [2015-12-18 21:52:12] The committee may, by its own motion, close its deliberations to the public, restrict access to any document, or do any other thing as necessary for the proper administration of the association. [2015-12-18 21:52:23] no comment further [2015-12-18 21:52:30] i am asking for that motion [2015-12-18 21:52:46] that decides that something should be sealed - I cannot see it [2015-12-18 21:52:57] you will get the answer during the next board meeting [2015-12-18 21:53:11] why not now? [2015-12-18 21:53:19] a motion has to be there or not [2015-12-18 21:53:25] anybody else will raise a question? [2015-12-18 21:54:16] |<-- Robert hat irc.cacert.org:7000 verlassen (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi) [2015-12-18 21:55:24] no more questions, please close the channel [2015-12-18 21:55:26] =-= Modus #board-meeting +m von INOPIAE [2015-12-18 21:56:18] next item [2015-12-18 21:56:39] any proposals for the next board meeting? [2015-12-18 21:57:10] sunday 2016-01-10 10:00 UTC? [2015-12-18 21:57:18] OK [2015-12-18 21:57:18] sounds good to me [2015-12-18 21:57:23] ok from my side [2015-12-18 21:57:30] fine with me [2015-12-18 21:57:37] -->| Robert (robert@pa49-197-150-107.pa.qld.optusnet.com.au) hat #board-meeting betreten [2015-12-18 21:57:38] aye [2015-12-18 21:57:45] hi robert [2015-12-18 21:57:57] =-= Modus #board-meeting +o Robert von StefanT [2015-12-18 21:57:59] next board on sunday, 2016-01-10 10:00 UTC [2015-12-18 21:58:08] fine for you? [2015-12-18 22:00:44] Hi [2015-12-18 22:00:56] hello Robert [2015-12-18 22:01:06] Hello all [2015-12-18 22:01:14] Hello Robert [2015-12-18 22:01:48] Hi [2015-12-18 22:03:42] I wish a merry xmas and a happy new year to all of you. [2015-12-18 22:03:53] I hereby close the board meeting.