* Case Number: a20150726.1
  * Status: init
  * Claimant: EvaStöwe, Benny Baumann
  * Respondent: CAcert
  * initial Case Manager: UlrichSchroeter, later EvaStöwe disclosed dispute based on DRO decision [[https://community.cacert.org/board/motions.php?motion=m20161119.3|m20161119.3]] and [[https://community.cacert.org/board/motions.php?motion=m20161119.4|m20161119.4]]
  * Case Manager: name case manager
  * Arbitrator: name arbitrator
  * Date of arbitration start: 201Y-MM-DD
  * Date of ruling: 201Y-MM-DD
  * Case closed: 201Y-MM-DD
  * Complaint: Dispute to remove post from support mailing list archive

  * Relief: TBD

Before: Arbitrator name arbitrator (A), Respondent: CAcert (R), Claimant: EvaStöwe (C1), Benny Baumann (C2), Case: a20150726.1

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== History Log ==
 . 2015-07-26 (issue.c.o): case [[Ticket:368164|s20150726.76]]
 . 2015-07-27 (issue.c.o): case [[Ticket:368194|s20150727.18]]
 . 2015-09-07 (iCM): added to wiki, request for CM / A, sent notifications (C1), (C2)



== Private Part ==

 * '''Link to Arbitration case [[Arbitrations/priv/a20150726.1|a20150726.1 (Private Part)]]'''

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<<Include(Arbitrations/priv/a20150726.1)>>  
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==== EOT Private Part ====

== Original Dispute ==
=== Dispute by (C1) Eva Stöwe ==
 {{{
> Dear Arbitration,
> 
> I hereby file a dispute to get the mail
> from: Benny Baumann  [email address]
> to: [public support mailing list address]
> at: [date and time]
> subject: Dispute: Harm to swift processing of security issue
> 
> removed from the archive of that list (if it was not previously removed
> based on a20101025.1).
> 
> This request does not match the precedents ruling of a20101025.1. The
> mail is meant as a dispute but such mails should be directed to
> support@cacert.org. Disputes should be handled on the forum of
> Arbitration and not on open mailing lists.
> 
> Independent from this concrete mail, I ask to add mails that are meant
> to be disputes to a20101025.1 (or add a comparable precedents case).
> 
> 
> 
> If a claimant does not care about the difference between both lists (a
> lot of people have done such mis-postings between both lists), possible
> respondents or other persons named in such a dispute should not be
> harmed, especially if they may not even be aware of the posting.
> 
> A dispute can be understood as an indicator that something was done
> incorrectly, especially if it is posted to an open list. Even if the
> case is dismissed (or withdrawn) later, the dispute will not be answered
> on said open list (there will be no reference to the case file). So
> anybody who reads that list will not be informed over the same channel
> about the result of the case, which often is not the one the claimant
> asked for.
> 
> Because of this, I feel that this kind of mails (disputes) should be
> removed in general from the support mailing list.
> 
> 
> The specific named dispute is even worse than normal disputes, as it
> already forestalls some things which are the job of the Arbitrator, like
> deciding who will be respondents and claimants and numbering and/or
> representing them.
> 
> This mail is written as if it would be the header of a case file and by
> this implies even more to the readers of the support mailing list, that
> all this is already fixed (and maybe even reviewed) by an Arbitrator,
> instead of just being a dispute which could in theory even not be
> accepted by Arbitration based on DRP 1.5 (which is unlikely in this case
> but not decided at the time where the dispute is filed).
> 
> This together - and if one takes into account some previous actions of
> the author of that mail against the named first respondent (me) of that
> mail - can be read as an attempt to discredit my person. (There is a not
> trivial chance that it will be read accordingly, even if it was not
> written with this intention.)
> 
> -- 
> mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards
> Eva Stöwe
}}}

=== Dispute by (C2) Benny Baumann ===
 {{{
> Dear Support,
> 
> please remove my post to the cacert-support@l.c.o list concerning the
> dispute I filed. The mail was accidentially sent to the wrong email
> address due to auto-completion issues while handling some
> time-constrained work.
> 
> The subject of the mail was "Dispute: Harm to swift processing of
> security issue" sent [date and time].
> 
> Kind regards,
> BenBE.
}}}

## You may remove unneeded sections at your discretion...
== Discovery ==

== Elaboration ==

== Ruling ==

== Execution ==

== Similiar Cases ==

|| [[Arbitrations/a20150725.1|a20150725.1]] || [[Arbitrations/a20150725.1|Harm to swift processing of security issue]] ||

 * issue ticket [[Ticket:368164|s20150726.76]]
 * issue ticket [[Ticket:368194|s20150727.18]]


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